> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hani
> Suleiman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Xdoclet-user] EJB 2.1 support in XDoclet 2?
> 
> 
> In my opinion it's rather silly to tell people not to use 
> EJB's on this 
> mailing list. xdoclet might support all sorts of ridiculous other 
> mappings, but its prime purpose (and audience) has always been ejb 
> users.
> 
> Maybe the developers have all moved on to something cooler, but the 
> users haven't, and many have no intention of doing so. If 
> someone is on 
> this list, chances are they care about EJB's.

but do they care about ejb 2.1?  in their actual projects?  _most_ people seem to be 
using stateless session beans.  maybe some MDB's and a little entity ejb's for those 
who decided to give it a whirl.  i'd guess that when more and more people are 
interested in exposing their stateless beans as web services, and would like a little 
code generation going on, then probably xdoclet will come onto play.

xdoclet may have started as ejbdoclet, but it _is_ xdoclet. a template based code 
generation engine capable of reducing the mindless tasks such as remembering to add a 
method to the remote component interface that you just added to your bean 
implementation.  

> 
> On Mar 17, 2004, at 10:30 AM, Jeff Markham wrote:
> 
> >
> >> And performance is always an issue.
> >
> > More accurately, of the projects that I've been a part of 
> the past 2+ 
> > years,
> > the more than 1000 Entity EJBs involved have had no 
> performance issues 
> > in
> > the eyes of the developers or users.  Nor has there been any data 
> > reported
> > from the performance monitoring tools used (Veritas, Quest) 
> that would
> > suggest any bottlenecks resulting from the use of Entity 
> EJBs.  Even 
> > Entity
> > EJBs that might contain a large number of CMR fields.
> >
> >> Well, xdoclet 1.2 does not support them because nobody
> >> bothered to write this support. And this is not going
> >> to happen unless somebody start to use 2.1 features,
> >> and contributes this support.
> >
> > Ya think?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 
> > Konstantin
> > Priblouda
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:35 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [Xdoclet-user] EJB 2.1 support in XDoclet 2?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jeff Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Entity beans have been used on all the projects I've
> >> been on in the past 2
> >> years.  All with 100+ entity EJBs and one with
> >> several hundred.  We haven't
> >> had any significant issues with debugging or testing
> >> (thank you, Cactus) and
> >> as far as configuration, and ease of use:  isn't
> >> that what XDoclet's for?
> >> And performance is a non-issue.
> >>
> >> Read more about the benefits of EJBs at:
> >> http://www.jboss.org/modules/html/blue.pdf
> >
> > This discussion leads to nowhere. But for my
> > use case EJB ( entity ) are poor choice.
> >
> > There are also issues in CMR, which make hibernate
> > more preferable. ( hey, what about ternary
> > association?
> > or map of primitives keyed by entity? )
> >
> > So I go hibernated pojos. ( Sesison beans is necessary
> > )
> >
> > And performance is always an issue.
> >
> >
> >> In my opinion, XDoclet doesn't fully support EJB 2.1
> >> because to my
> >> knowledge, the only container supporting 2.1 right
> >> now is Sun's.  It also
> >> seems (judging from the features of XDoclet's EJB
> >> support and the messages
> >> on this list) that the majority of XDoclet EJB
> >> writers are also JBoss users.
> >> (Maybe I'm wrong on that).  And as far as I know,
> >> EJB 2.1 support doesn't
> >> appear in JBoss until 4.0 final.
> >
> > Well, xdoclet 1.2 does not support them because nobody
> > bothered to write this support. And this is not going
> > to happen unless somebody start to use 2.1 features,
> > and contributes this support.
> >
> > regards,
> >
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