On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 03:00:44 +0200, Christian Dywan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Am Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:33:47 +0200 >schrieb Enrico Tröger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:38:36 +0200, Fabian Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > > >> > > > What we are instead using already since the 1960s, is a >> > > > Terminal in both English and German language. So it really >> > > > can't be regarded as a non-German word, it might still be >> > > > called a foreign word, but I'D rather say it has already >> > > > become a lenaing word. And inside the Terminal, there's a >> > > > command line, whose direct and bad translation is >> > > > "Kommandozeile", because we have a way nicer word for the >> > > > strange "Kommando" which is simply "Befehl". And this one >> > > > directly reflects what you are doing inside a Terminal: you >> > > > enter commands -- "Befehle". >> > > > >> > > > So it's a nice, easily understandable "Befehlszeile" and >> > > > nothing else when you're referring to the prompt >> > > >> > > I disagree. I'd prefer "Kommandozeile" or "Terminal-Emulation" >> > > >> > >> > What exactly are you now referring to? Kommandozeile for prompt and >> > Terminal-Emulation for the Terminal (which is its respective own >> > name, by the way, such as translating the "KDE Konsole" to >> > "KDE-Konsole", or "Mousepad" to "Mausablage", "Xarchiver" to >> > "Xarchivierer" etc)? >> >> :) >> >> > I tried to make clear that there has to be a distinction between >> > command line/prompt and the terminal application, which is *named* >> > "Terminal" -- and I really can't see the point in translating an >> > application's name. >> >> Nobody wants to translate the name of the "Terminal" application but >> "terminal" is a general term, not only for THE terminal app of Xfce >> and so it should be translated. >> It's just confusing that the application in Xfce is named exactly as >> the general application type, Terminal. But in the translated string >> we are discussing about, the application type is referred to, not the >> Xfce Terminal. >> >> I dont mind whether we use 'Kommandozeile' or 'Befehlszeile' if the >> original term actually refers to the prompt. When referring to the >> application type, I agree with Fabian and we should use >> 'Terminal' (as this was also in my first attached patch). > >As for the semantics, I think 'Terminal' equals 'Konsole' in the form >of an application, or physically the machine you are working with. >'Kommandozeile' and 'Befehlszeile' do refer to the actually command >line interface, that is what's inside the window, or even a true >command line without any graphical interface around it. > >In the context of the launcher I think all those terms are equally >correct. Thus I would think choosing either of the non-application >names should be the best idea. At least I'd like it if we could avoid >the ambiguity of a launcher suggesting an application - afterall that's >what I started the discussion for in the first place, ie. not >seeing 'Mozilla' where there is no such application. After having some time passed by, would you all agree to use to 'Kommandozeile' as Christian suggested above? Regards, Enrico -- Get my GPG key from http://www.uvena.de/pub.asc
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