Ummm, can you all take your little thread "off line" please and quit
cluttering the list please?
I say this in the nicest way, but it's getting thin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kloberg Mac (LAM) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 5:09 PM
To: XML/EDI Group
Subject: RE: Can we all get along? (i.e. Peace, Love and Happiness)
Well said Steve.
- Lets keep brainstorming unmoderated and move on...!
- Lets just stop flaming and lets get back to business.
PS: IMHO, XML is still a silver bullet, hehe.
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Sincerely,
Mac Kloberg
LIEBHERR AMERICA INC.
http://www.liebherr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bollinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 7:56 PM
To: XML/EDI Group
Subject: Can we all get along? (i.e. Peace, Love and Happiness)
A mail list is a lot like the First Amendment. They are both about freely
expressing one's opinion and commenting on the opinions of other. The
beauty of both of these is that they create an environment in which ideas
can evolve and we can all benefit. We are free to evaluate data for
ourselves. This occurs by:
1. exchange of ideas
2. brainstorming new ideas
3. debating ideas
4. criticizing ideas we consider to be invalid or flawed somehow
This fourth point is just as necessary as the rest. It can ruffle feathers,
however.
Three solutions I see for the ruffles are:
1. Have a thicker skin (from Rachel). Don't take sarcasm as personal.
Instead see it as professional roasting (humor involved) from one's peer(s).
The most effective response to such sarcasm is an appeal to reason on the
issues. Then you look far better than the sarcastic attacker especially if
his ideas are flawed somehow. Keep your cool = come out ahead.
2. Better Netiquet all around. I for one could improve here. I have on
occasion in times past been hotly (perhaps harshly so) sarcastic on some
points I thought invalid. I think I could have made my sarcasms gentler and
more humorous and thus more effective in debunking some hype.
3. Keeping a free and un-moderated open forum like this takes a definite
level of tolerance all around. Survive the bad to keep gleaning the good.
And there is much good here.
That said, then yes, let's move straight into production without further
comment.
I believe we had a great battle of ideas on the Need for Speed thread up
through the middle of this week. Dick and Mark, both did a excellent job on
competing ideas as well as the perspectives from many others. The two myths
that I hope we have now debunked are:
1. XML is somehow a silver bullet, and EDI is to disapear soon.
At 04:50 PM 7/28/00 -0700, Brian Curtis wrote:
>Or... Maybe not. In any case, I'm not going anywhere... You can't get rid
of
>me. So, lets move on people. This list is supposed to be productive... I
>don't see production.
Steve Bollinger 408-853-8478
Cisco Systems B2B Service Logistics Pjt
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