Exactly! Spoken like a true engineer :-)
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Rachel Foerster wrote:
> OK, now I get it! To "deprecate" code means don't use that crap, it's
> buggy, doesn't work and shouldn't have seen the light of day, but it
> escaped from the lab anyway....here's something that will work!!!!
> And, if you still insist on using it, you're on your own! :-)
>
> Rachel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:16 PM
> To: David Bruce; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
>
> (from dictionary.com)
>
> dep�re�cate (dpr-kt)
> v. tr. de�pre�cat�ed, de�pre�cat�ing, de�pre�cates.
>
> To express disapproval of; deplore.
> To belittle; depreciate.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ----
> [Latin dprecr, dprect- to ward off by prayer: d-, de- + precr, to
> pray; see
> prek- in Indo-European Roots.]
>
> ---
>
> I think that this really is a good choice of words. Generally when I
> deprecate an interface to something, I do not mean supersedes, because
> I
> know that 15% of the people using the interface will continue to use
> the old
> interface, so I actually have to make the old interface work via some
> ugly
> hacks for those people. By deprecating, I am hoping that people will
> be
> scared off by my warning, which I secretly would not really inforce.
>
> When I deprecate something, I am indicating that I disaprove of it.
> Disaproval in many instances means that you will allow the action
> which you
> do not approve of continue without support. Maybe @notsupported would
> be
> better, but it doesn't have the same ring that @deprecated does.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> ���`����,��,����`����,��,�
> Matthew MacKenzie
> VP Research & Development
> XML Global Technologies, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Bruce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: October 27, 2000 9:05 AM
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>
>
> I disagree. There are times when people choose words that are
> over-fancy,
> but as it happens... this is not one of them! The use of 'deprecated'
> may
> ORIGINALLY have been a poor choice, but now that millions have gotten
> used
> to it as meaning "this is a method that may not be supported for
> long", it
> is the BEST word to communicate the intended meaning. Something that
> has
> been superceded may not be useable AT ALL. I was not impressed the
> first
> time that I heard "agnostic" used in the context that you are
> referring to,
> but some of the arguments that folks get into resemble the antics of
> "religious wars".
>
> As for keeping stupid... "Things should be made as simple as possible,
> but
> not any simpler." - Albert Einstein
>
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>
> This is just another instance of someone wanting to use a fancy word
> when
> another would be more accurate. As Rachel pointed out by quoting the
> dictionary definition, "deprecate" has a pejorative context. It
> bothers me,
> too, Rachel. Why use "deprecated" when what you mean is "superseded?"
> Another example is the recent trend to use "agnostic" to identify
> something
> that is neutral. Please, people, try to remember K.I.S.S.
>
> Sally
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:13 PM
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> Subject: RE: XML for EDI book: any comments?
>
>
> The whole notion of "deprecated" code was derived from a field you can
> use
> in JavaDoc, which is a code-level documentation
> format which allows a tool called javadoc to generate API
> documentation from
> raw code.
>
> An example:
>
> /**
> * This method stores your name in a file.
> * @param Your Name
> * @param File Name
> * @return void
> * @deprecated As if JDK 1.3.0, replaced by {@link #storeName(String,
> String)}
> */
> public void saveName(String name, String f_name) {
>
> ...
>
> }
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> ���`����,��,����`����,��,�
> Matthew MacKenzie
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>
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>
>
> Rachel
>
> In the java world, certain classes and/or methods are replaced with
> newer,
> hopefully better code from time to time. Actually, it happens quite
> frequently.
>
> By the time the Ben's ( and other author's ) books are published, the
> supplier of the java code that was used as examples in the book has
> been
> replaced and the old code is marked as "deprecated".
>
> As a side note, in my mind this is one reason that I would like to see
> books
> published in an electronic format that will make it to market faster.
>
> Bill
>
> On Wed, 25 October 2000, "Rachel Foerster" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > I'm glad you saw my compliments about your book. One question....you
> > use the term deprecated code. I've seen it used many times
> elsewhere.
> > This may be a dumb question, but what does it mean. The dictionary
> > definition of deprecated is
> >
> > dep�re�cate (d�p"r�-k�t") tr.v. de�pre�cat�ed, de�pre�cat�ing,
> > de�pre�cates. 1. To express disapproval of; deplore. 2. To belittle;
> > depreciate. --dep"re�cat"ing�ly adv. --dep"re�ca"tion
> n. --dep"re�ca"
> > tor n.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> >
> > At 08:21 PM 10/24/00, you wrote:
> > >I agree wholeheartedly.
> > >
> > >That was the first XML book I picked up, and even though many of
> his
> > >examples use deprecated code, it provided me with some great
> examples
> > and
> > >a good feel for XML programming.
> > >
> > >Good book!!!
> >
> > I'm glad you and Rachel find XML by Example useful.
> >
> > In answer to your comments, I wanted to point out that I tried to
> > update
> > the obsolete XSL code on the support web site
> > (http://www.mcp.com/que/detail_que.cfm?item=0789722429). Some of the
> > updates have found their way in recent reprints so if you buy a copy
> > today,
> > it should contain little deprecated code (hopefully :-).
> >
> > --ben
> > Beno�t Marchal, www.pineapplesoft.com
> >
> > As eCommerce Grows, Understanding XML Becomes a Key Job Skill
> > XML by Example / $24.99 / ISBN 0-7897-2242-9 / www.worth-it.com
> > Applied XML Solutions / $44.99 / ISBN 0-6723-2054-1 /
> www.worth-it.com
> >
> >
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