Very good point Georges. If XML allows many tags to be inserted into a
document then you have many standards for many customers, because each
customer will be different. Can anyone explain how this is a voided? We
are going to XML for one of our customers. I just dont see the advantage.
Steven Bell
-----Original Message-----
From: Brigham, Georges [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:36 AM
To: 'bobcarper'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ben Marchal (Mailing Lists)
Subject: RE: EDI Messages in XML
Just for the record, you use the 824 - Application Advice to report problems
with the "contents" of a document. The 997 concerns a "group" of documents
and, at most, lets you reject one or more documents in the group for
syntactical reasons. These tend to occur at first use of EDI, but get
cleaned up quickly. the contents could cause problems any time.
If a hundred people send you XML documents, what do they use as standards,
both format and labels? Or do you have fun matching one on one? Doesn't
sound very practical to me.
Georges Brigham
-----Original Message-----
From: bobcarper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ben Marchal (Mailing Lists)
Subject: Re: EDI Messages in XML
Hi all .......
Let me put in my opinion's worth on this one, and risk being assailed as
someone coming from an untried and untested position. I have accumulated a
good half semester's worth of information, experience, and data elements
conversion problems related to my client's requirement to be HIPAA compliant
by the Year 2002. It is my belief that different trading partners need not
be on the same protocol (Standard, version, etc.). However, there must be a
data element conversion and formatting analysis performed prior to any data
interchange, and that this data analysis must reflect the protocol
regulations, while at the same time preserving the data element meaning and
coding representation. In other words, it is entirely feasable for Trading
Partner A to send as an outbound transaction set an ANSI X12 837 (Health
Care Claim), receive a 997 from Trading Partner B that the transaction set
was received. Now if the map called for translating the 837 into a
designated XML schema, then Trading Partner B would have, upon successful
translation, a Health Care Claim data file in its own XML format. However,
the data element conversions would have to be addressed prior to the
mapping operation, complete with all coding representations and formatting
conventions. Also, any improper translations would have to be conveyed back
to Trading Partner A in the 997 that would be returned.
It is therefore possible to go from any convention to any convention.
Trading partners need not be on the same convention, standard, and version.
The point I am making is that such an analysis be done prior to any
translation or map, particularly in applications which have their origins
from very dissimilar sources, such as the healthcare industry.
Now I will stand back on the stage and dodge the brickbats
.......................
Cheers
Bob Carper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Marchal (Mailing Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 07:35
Subject: Re: EDI Messages in XML
> At 01:34 22/06/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Where you say that using XML is like being part of a community - do you
> >mean that every organisation with whom you wish to conduct business
> >electronically needs to also use XML. For example, if I want to exchange
> >data with others within the Health Industry (ie. medical practitioners,
> >hospitals, ancillary providers (ie. dentists, physiotherapists etc.) and
I
> >want to use an XML protocol, does everyone else have to use XML as well.
> >Alternatively, can I use XML while my partners continue to use EDIFACT.
>
> We're going through a period of transition so it's not uncommon to work in
> a mixed mode where some partners use XML and others EDIFACT.
>
> We see that a lot where a company opens up to new partners or new
> applications; for reasons I explained previously, they adopt XML but they
> retain their EDIFACT solution (or build an EDIFACT compatibility mode in
> the new one) for existing partners/applications.
>
> --ben
>
> New! XML and the Enterprise at www.marchal.com
> "The model adds significantly to the technology's understanding and use."
> -- Bruce Peat, chair; XML/edi Group
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