David, Do you really mean censorship - in the sense of messages killed - or just ignorant flames?
The leadership of ebXML and UN/CEFACT includes highly respected and influential participants from Asia. Leading ebXML and UN/CEFACT participants are very aware of leading-edge implementation projects in Korea. I think who you get sometimes on ebxml-dev is ignorant flamers. XML-EDI is the same way some times. I have been insulted every which way on both lists. If you know of actual censorship going on on ebxml-dev, let me know and I will follow up with the perpetrators. If you have particularly offensive flames, send them to me. Thanks, Bob Haugen ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'William J. Kammerer' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; XML/edi Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: RE: XML Activity in Asia-Pacific - clarification XML/EDI is a good list with no censorship that I know of. However, ebXML-dev do appear to censor pro-Asian development out of their list. Maybe they wish to keep all development in Europe and America. I can understand that. They probably feel that they are going to a lot of effort to develop specifications and the result is that companies in Asia are making up the designs and producing the products for less than is possible in Western countries. The problem is that they are delaying the inevitable which is ebXML implemented on a chip which will be available for about $150. We know of one company in Asia/Pacific who are tooling for this very thing. The result will be that ebXML will truly be affordable "for every company no matter what their size" like the ebXML home page promises. Problem is that that wasn't really the idea of ebXML which is to keep ebXML solely in the hands of large companies. So, once again, there never was any claim about xml-edi being censored. "ebxml-dev" was the list that I was talking about and it's quite possible that myself and quite a few other people are wrong. All I know is that there is some pretty spectacular technology about to come out of Asia. We'll have to wait and see if those ebXML chips are going to be any good. David Lyon Product Manager www.globaltradedesk.com -----Original Message----- From: William J. Kammerer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 May 2002 23:38 To: XML/edi Group Subject: Re: XML Activity in Asia-Pacific Alan: Don't get your fur all ruffled over this! Mr. Lyon is confusing disagreement or condescension with "censorship" on the ebxml-dev mailing list. And to my knowledge, no one has ever "picked on" contributors from Asia/Pacific for the sole reason of their wanting to talk about local developments. William J. Kammerer Novannet, LLC. +1 (614) 487-0320 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kotok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Lyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'CS_Nair'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "XML/edi Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'David RR Webber - XMLGlobal'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 03 May, 2002 08:52 AM Subject: Re: XML Activity in Asia-Pacific Mr. Lyon: 'Censorship' is a very serious charge. Who has prevented you from making your case, and when did it occur? Let me assure you that it has never -- repeat never -- been the policy for the XML/edi list to prevent discussion of XML-related issues. If anyone connected to this list has tried to prevent you from posting messages on XML, e-business, or related issues, please let me know immediately. As one who took part in the initial ebXML development effort, I can tell you that we had excellent participation from Asia, including a meeting in Tokyo (November 2000), and I believe that participation has continued. Alan Kotok Editor, < E-Business*Standards*Today /> http://www.disa.org/dailywire/ Data Interchange Standards Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 703-518-4174 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'CS_Nair'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "XML/edi Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'David RR Webber - XMLGlobal'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 03 May, 2002 04:01 AM Subject: XML Activity in Asia-Pacific CS, You're right. Not only this but there is censorship on the mailing lists to prevent people accross Asia/Pacific (especially on ebXML) from talking about local issues and local developments. That's why you don't hear anything. We're working on ebXML on a chip and wireless ebXML. When we ask on the ebXML for other companies to get involved we get our invitations sensored. So much for "Open" development. The fact is, at Global TradeDesk, we see Asia/Pacific as a hotbed for the next development of XML based devices and products where they can be produce affordably and with high quality. Best Regards David Lyon Product Manager - Asia/Pacific Global TradeDesk ------ XML/edi Group Discussion List ------ Homepage = http://www.XMLedi-Group.org Unsubscribe = send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leave the subject and body of the message blank Questions/requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To receive only one message per day (digest format) send the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], (leave the subject line blank) digest xmledi-group your-email-address To join the XML/edi Group complete the form located at: http://www.xmledi-group.org/xmledigroup/mail1.htm ------ XML/edi Group Discussion List ------ Homepage =http://www.XMLedi-Group.org Unsubscribe =send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leave the subject and body of the message blank Questions/requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To receive only one message per day (digest format) send the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], (leave the subject line blank) digest xmledi-group your-email-address To join the XML/edi Group complete the form located at: http://www.xmledi-group.org/xmledigroup/mail1.htm ------ XML/edi Group Discussion List ------ Homepage = http://www.XMLedi-Group.org Unsubscribe = send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leave the subject and body of the message blank Questions/requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To receive only one message per day (digest format) send the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], (leave the subject line blank) digest xmledi-group your-email-address To join the XML/edi Group complete the form located at: http://www.xmledi-group.org/xmledigroup/mail1.htm
