On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:43:00PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:10:14PM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Samuel Thibault > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Not having a visible cursor by default poses problems with a lot of > > > users: when > > > they are faced with a completely dark screen without even a moving mouse, > > > they > > > think their machine is completely hung, while it could just be that X > > > clients > > > can't connect or are not starting for some reason. > > > > NAK on the this needs discussion grounds.
I agree. > > Seems like this was the whole point of the retro stuff in the first > > place, to not display a cursor and not draw a background. > > > > So I'm not sure thats a bug as much as it is as-designed. Yep. > I'd argue for having -retro be the default. Anything that starts up X for > the user can relatively easily apply an extra command line option. > > Without options, we should IMO clearly indicate whether X is working or not. I don't think there's any reason to ever see the stipple, but I think at least enabling the cursor by default is entirely reasonable; [gkx]dm and friends can just pass -nocursor or whatever it is. That being said, I do think we need to stop ping-ponging stuff like this: I think -retro has now changed semantics three times. Whether this means we need to discuss things more before we push them in, make better decisions, or just grow a spine and say no, is still an open question. ;) Cheers, Daniel
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