Well, the changes I remind: - gnome-screensaver -> xscreensaver: doesn't make much difference - file-roller -> squeeze: squeeze is fast, light, seems to have most features needed for an archive manager. It's stable, upstream answers quickly to bug reports and features requests. There is a crasher In Hardy (doesn't happen in Gutsy with the same version) but work is in progress to fix it. - gthumb/or whatever was before -> ristretto: ristretto is fast, light and stable, same maintainer as squeeze and same postive feedback. - gnome-mount -> exo-mount: we just loose one feature, encrypted partitions, but it's not really a key feature. This change makes it relally easy to follow debian and upstream changes. - totem -> * : this hasn't been decided yet, maybe mplayer-gtk or keep gnome.
I've a P2 450MHz and I can tell you I really feel the difference on disk usage, memory and cpu usage ! The last annoying application is Firefox 2 but Firefox 3 should be released on time and should be really better. On Jan 31, 2008 6:04 PM, Jani Monoses <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jérôme Guelfucci wrote: > > I know I've not been very diplomatic. Well the point is that this > > mailing list DOESN'T represent the Xubuntu community. The decisions > > that were taken during the Gutsy development cycle were validated > > because you and two or three members of the mailing list wanted this, > > this is at least how I feel it. > > We had discussions but none of the views opposing the inclusion of Gnome > apps were fundamented, besides the vague 'it's ligher' argument and most > of the replies were clearly emotional. > > > > > On the Ubuntu French Forums, the feedbacks I had is that people are > > using Xubuntu because it's light, it's a godd alternative to Gnome, > > BUT many of them were disappointed because Xubuntu 7.10 is tto heavy > > and moved to things like Fluxbuntu, or removed the xubuntu-desktop > > package to keep xfce only stuff, and choose apps they wanted. > > All changes have been in the default install but in the recommends > section so noone should have removed xubuntu-meta, all the extra gnome > apps cand be removed and swicthed if the more advanced users wish so. > > I am pretty convinced that the ones who were vocal on the fora and > disappointed were the armchair critics who do not look much into an > issue before blogging or voicing their dissapointment. Like with the > recent reactions to 'Canonical dropping support for Xubuntu'. > > > > > > Now that we moved to Universe, we have the opportunity to build a > > Xubuntu identity, to have our own applications easily, without filing > > MIR all the time. I think it's unfair to say that those applications > > That is the great advantage of being in universe and I am glad for this, > filing MIR was an annoyance. However it does not mean the floodgates are > open to anything that is now in universe without regard to user > friendliness and robustness. > > > are unmaintained (xfmedia will be removed soon :) ), and buggy, they > > seem to work fine for most users. We have backported a lot of stuff to > > our ppa, XFCE 4.4.2, squeeze, ristretto, and we received very positive > > feedback from the community. > > > I appreciate your work, it's just that it has to happen in public. > Please do not mix Xfce 4.4.2 into this I did not say anything about it > But the apps that I one-by-one picked and the merits of which I > defended during gutsy are a separate problem. > > > > > I recognize it could have been announced on the mailing list or on > > IRC, but the few time I've spent on this list shows me that most of > > those posts become ~ a XFCE/GNOME flamewar. > > No that is not a reason to avoid it. It does not create a good > precedent. It is only flamewar if the focus is not on techincal, > maintenance and user merits but on GNOME vs Xfce. In which case those > who can only contribute to the latter topics are gently asked to stay > out of the discussion and we can keep it civilized. > > Please justify the switch to each of the apps as I did last cycle, > taking into accound maintenance - upstream and withing ubuntu, > usability, stability/maturity and performance. > > thanks > > Jani > > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > -- xubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
