2009/12/5 J. Anthony Limon <[email protected]> > Lionel Le Folgoc wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > (I stripped some parts to reduce the size of the mail ;) > > > > On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 03:41:03PM +0200, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: > >> Charlie Kravetz wrote: > >>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:05:45 +0100 > >>> Steve Dodier <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> [snip] > >>> > >>>> Both Synaptic and gnome-app-install are being replaced by the Software > >>>> Centre (not sure if it's the exact name). This new app brings a few > >>>> dependencies but it's likely that removing gnome-app-install and > synaptic > >>>> will make enough room on the CD for it. > >>>> As long as it doesn't pull mono and gnome* I'm all for giving the new > app a > >>>> try. > >>>> > >>>> Maybe we could ask the desktop team what they think will be ready for > Lucid > >>>> in the software centre, and whether they think they'll be able to > replace > >>>> synaptic in this release. > > > > There is enough room on the livecd anyway. I think that we *have to* > > switch to software-center for lucid, because gnome-app-install has > > already been demoted from main to universe in karmic (which means that > > Canonical folks don't want to support it anymore, and since they were > > the only ones touching it…). > > > >>>>> 2) gnome-system-monitor > >>>>> > >>>>>> [snip] > >>>>>> > >>>>> For now, I don't think the Xfce components can deliver the same > amount > >>>>> of features and, regretfully, quality. I also like htop, but we can't > >>>>> consider it as the main application for system monitoring, as it's > CLI > >>>>> and many people fear command line. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Gnome system monitor monitors system load, network load, ram and swap > usage, > >>>> and HDD usage. It may be doing too much for one's needs, but when you > want > >>>> to know if some app is using all of your bandwidth, it's cool to can > check > >>>> in the system monitor without having to go in command line. > >>>> > >>>> While xftaskmanager may be more appropriate for your needs, > >>>> gnome-system-monitor is in my opinion better for end users. > >>>> > > > > We have already xfce4-cpugraph-plugin, xfce4-systemload-plugin, > > xfce4-netload-plugin and xfce4-taskmanager. The fact that gnome devs > > decided to make a single program (gnome-system-monitor) for that doesn't > > imply that we should blindly do the same. > > > > (Anyway, I've no strong opinion on this, I think htop is the best one. > > :P) > > > >>>>>> 3) Totem > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [snip] > >>>>>> > >>>> I can name only one player that also uses a decent backend and that is > >>>> written with a proper GTK+ GUI. It's Parole, and I'm looking forward > to it, > >>>> but considering that it's rather new, we can't expect it to be as > integrated > >>>> in the desktop yet (for instance, does it already manage to find > missing > >>>> codecs for the user?). > >>>> > >>>> Whats the point of a player with tons of features like audacity, > mplayer or > >>>> vlc if it crashes miserably when you launch a file or if the GUI is > >>>> difficult to use because of some particular skin, or very debatable > keyboard > >>>> shortcut choices? I'm all for keeping Totem for the LTS, and testing > Parole > >>>> from the very beginning of Lucid+1's release cycle (ie. before alpha > 1, and > >>>> until beta 1 at least, so we can report bugs to Ali and see what's > missing > >>>> from the Xubuntu point of view). > > > > The issue with mplayer, vlc, or any ffmpeg related player, is that they > > can't be shipped on a live cd (decision of the TB). > > > > About the missing codecs, I think any gstreamer-based player will be > > handled by gnome-codec-install without problem (this is the case for > > totem currently, so it might work fine for parole as well). > > > >>>> [snip] > >>> I do NOT want to look for a firefox replacement and the issues it will > >>> bring into an LTS release. That belongs in the regular release, perhaps > >>> lucid +1. Lucid as an LTS needs to be as solid as we can make it. It is > >>> not the release to test what we can in, but rather, the release to fix > >>> what we can in. > >>> > >> I have to agree with Charlie here. Changing the default browser to > >> something not Firefox in an LTS release would really make our users mad, > >> even if it was working. And at this time, I'm not sure if midori is even > >> working fairly enough. > > > > Indeed, there are lots of possible changes: > > 1/ xfce 4.6 -> 4.8 > > 2/ brasero -> xfburn > > 3/ totem -> parole > > 4/ gnome-system-monitor -> xfce4-taskmanager, xfce4-*-plugin > > 5/ gnome-app-install -> software-center > > 6/ gnome-screensaver -> xscreensaver > > 7/ firefox -> midori > > > > As lucid is a LTS, I think we should focus on the most "safe" ones: 5/ > > and 6/. Keeping gnome-screensaver is dangerous (who knows what stupid > > ideas will gnome developers have for lucid? -- currently in karmic, > > there's no screen locking without gnome-session); I consider > > gnome-app-install as "unmaintained upstream", so we shouldn't keep it > > either. > > > Agree with you, Lionel. And this leaves lot of room for working on upstream. :)
> > Cheers, > > Lionel > > > > > > Software Center seems OKAY, as long as it's easily removed (hehe) - but > it seems to suffer from the same issues as gnome-app-install in that it > only shows a small percentage of what is in the repositories. > > I also think it's a shame that gnome-app-install made it into Xubuntu > 9.10 as it ships with a fairly major bug (no icons displayed for the > categories). > That's clearly due to the lack of testers: noone used gnome-app-install, so noone saw the bug. -- Steve Dodier Student at École Nationale Supérieure d'Ingénieurs de Bourges Free Software Developer OpenPGP : 1B6B1670
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