Vincent wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Lionel Le Folgoc <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi there, > > (I stripped some parts to reduce the size of the mail ;) > > On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 03:41:03PM +0200, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: > > Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:05:45 +0100 > > > Steve Dodier <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > >> Both Synaptic and gnome-app-install are being replaced by the > Software > > >> Centre (not sure if it's the exact name). This new app brings > a few > > >> dependencies but it's likely that removing gnome-app-install > and synaptic > > >> will make enough room on the CD for it. > > >> As long as it doesn't pull mono and gnome* I'm all for giving > the new app a > > >> try. > > >> > > >> Maybe we could ask the desktop team what they think will be > ready for Lucid > > >> in the software centre, and whether they think they'll be able > to replace > > >> synaptic in this release. > > There is enough room on the livecd anyway. I think that we *have to* > switch to software-center for lucid, because gnome-app-install has > already been demoted from main to universe in karmic (which means that > Canonical folks don't want to support it anymore, and since they were > the only ones touching it…). > > > Let me chime in here: I *did* use gnome-app-install. And it was kind of > my fault for not reporting the missing icons - I did see it, and notice > it, but didn't really consciously do so. So I didn't report the bug. Has > anybody reported it now? > > Anyway, I also told people to use that, because I found it to be more > useful for finding "normal" programs, and less scary (normal names, > icons, descriptions etc.). I do hope the Software Center will include > support for showing all packages in a sane way, but I suppose we can > only await that. Lionel's argument in favour of removing > gnome-app-install is valid, though, but I'm afraid to see what the > effects will be of Canonical not really taking Xubuntu into account. > > As for asking the devs what they think will be ready for Lucid: that's > all documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Roadmap > >
Unless there is a graphical way to view ALL packages in the repository the same way that Synaptics does, it does *NOT* deprecate Synaptics and should not be considered such. Until it does it is only a deprecation of gnome-app-install.. > > > >>> 2) gnome-system-monitor > > >>> > > >>>> [snip] > > >>>> > > >>> For now, I don't think the Xfce components can deliver the > same amount > > >>> of features and, regretfully, quality. I also like htop, but > we can't > > >>> consider it as the main application for system monitoring, as > it's CLI > > >>> and many people fear command line. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Gnome system monitor monitors system load, network load, ram > and swap usage, > > >> and HDD usage. It may be doing too much for one's needs, but > when you want > > >> to know if some app is using all of your bandwidth, it's cool > to can check > > >> in the system monitor without having to go in command line. > > >> > > >> While xftaskmanager may be more appropriate for your needs, > > >> gnome-system-monitor is in my opinion better for end users. > > >> > > We have already xfce4-cpugraph-plugin, xfce4-systemload-plugin, > xfce4-netload-plugin and xfce4-taskmanager. The fact that gnome devs > decided to make a single program (gnome-system-monitor) for that doesn't > imply that we should blindly do the same. > > (Anyway, I've no strong opinion on this, I think htop is the best one. > :P) > > > xfce4-taskmanager needs some work to be user-friendly, IMHO. Not a very > strong opinion on this either, though I'd keep using GSM I think. Of > course, it might just happen that the problems get addressed upstream > (for either project - are they even maintained?). > As I said in the original message, it is my opinion that GSM is too bloated and consistently has too many performance problems for the nature of the application. - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
