Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > Hello, > > Sorry for taking so long to reply. I've been thinking quite a bit > about this and have been waiting for the appropriate time to jump in. > > *General gist*: I think a council *could* be good for Xubuntu. > However, its membership should be limited to 3 people due to the small > size of our community (if we can't find consensus now, putting us all > on a council isn't going to give us consensus either); it can grow > later as necessary. Ultimately, this change should be mostly a > transparent one and not a harbinger of great change or divergence from > the Ubuntu community and processes. In fact, I feel this change should > instead aim to bring greater consistency, stability, and most > importantly longevity to our project. > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Jim Campbell wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Pasi Lallinaho <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Now, where did this discussion go? >> >> >> It appears as though it went on vacation. It has to come back to >> work eventually, though! >> >> >> >> People seemed to like the council-type approach; what's next? >> >> >> I think it would be a good idea to revisit the document that Cody >> put together and see how it would need to be modified to suit a >> council-type approach. I can give this a try. I'll let the >> group know if I have questions as I put things together. > Yeah, this sounds good. Maybe we should also briefly revise the > general direction stuff and make any modifications to those as > well if we feel they need to be changed. > > > Agreed. The document is indeed in need of an update. > > >> Anybody >> has obejctions? Should we first propose this to the Community >> Council >> (or some place else) or just take the new governance into use? >> >> >> Once that is done, I think we should have a meeting to approve >> it. We could at least have that as an agenda item for our >> meeting (which we need to have anyway). I think that there is a >> general consensus around this for now, but we should formalize it. > > I share this feeling of consensus. Whats left to do is to determine if > we're truly ready for this step and to what degree. > > Once we formalize our intent as a community to move in this direction, > we will need to go before the community council to have our updated > strategy document ratified. > >> Cody, can >> you be our link to the other councils or whatever, as you >> seem to know >> them best? >> >> >> If we all approve of the change as a group, I think we could >> forward it on to the council so that they know what we're doing, >> but I am not so sure it would require their seal of approval. As >> long as we are comfortable with what we're doing, I think the >> community council would be ok with it. Ultimately, I don't think >> it will make a huge difference in how we operate as long as >> things get done. > I could think so as well, but you never know... :) > > > We are a Ubuntu project and to be fully recognized as a council with > delegated authority from the community council we will require the > community council's approval. However, thats the easy part. Coming up > with a structure that will ultimately provide healthy leadership and > have any sort of longevity will require careful planning and > discussion between key stakeholders first. > >> What's the situation with the technical team leadership? >> Cody, Lionel? >> >> >> I think we still need to address this. > Definitely! > > > The intention of the community leadership page was to give > recognizability to the individuals who have organically grown into > different leadership roles within the Xubuntu community. Its the > person and not the title that permits these individuals to influence > the project in the ways that they do. If anything, Lionel has only > been increasingly more and more involved with the technical direction > and operations of Xubuntu and so IMHO is the tech lead for Xubuntu > regardless if we says so or not :-). > > If Lionel wishes to continue in this capacity, he is more than welcome > to recognized as such IMHO. > >> What's the situation with Michael? Can we remove Joszef's >> name from the >> leaders list - he's still not appeared from the mist. >> >> >> I don't know what the situation is with Michael. As for Joszef, >> I am of the opinion that we could remove his name from the >> leaders list. If he wanted to come back and contribute more, he >> would be welcome to do so. > Okay. Let's do this parallel to the next meeting. Maybe we should > also remove Michael from the leaders list or at least put his name > on parenthesis if he doesn't show up in the meeting or before it? > > > Joszef has made his intentions clear that he has left Xubuntu for > other endeavors. > > Michael should be contacted to gauge his interest. Michael confirmed in IRC that he should be marked inactive - "ENOTIME". > > >> To make Lucid be as good and stable as possible, I think we >> also should >> have a developer meeting soonish. If we can get the >> governance things >> sorted before or while the meeting, GREAT! >> >> >> I agree! I've put together a doodle poll to check everyone's >> availability for a team meeting. Please record what times will >> work for you using the link below. Hopefully the times will work >> for people, but I can set up new times if I've picked times that >> don't work for your corner of the world. Keep in mind that this >> will be the best Xubuntu team meeting ever. >> >> http://www.doodle.com/6stt9n2q7t9467q5 >> >> Jim >> > > Voted. :) > > What I gathered from this mail we need to cover at least the > following topics (read: AGENDA): > > 1) Review the Xubuntu strategy document > - Modify to suit the council-type approach (Jim will look into > this before the meeting) > - Briefly revise the overall strategy and modify if needed > > 2) Approve (and forward) the new Xubuntu governancy > - See 1), will need to have the final form ready in the document > so we can approve it! > > > I don't think we'll be able to come to a final draft ready to begin > the ratification process after just one meeting. However, I'm sure > we'll be able to make good progress. > > Its important that whatever we come up with conforms to > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation or a really good > reason why it shouldn't. > > > 3) Review the leaders list > > 4) Other topics > - Artwork for Lucid (Shimmer/polish Albatross)? > - Default applications for Lucid? > - [Insert your "other topic" here] > > > Happy New Years! > > Cheers, > > -- > Cody A.W. Somerville > Software Systems Release Engineer > Foundations Team > Custom Engineering Solutions Group > Canonical OEM Services > Phone: +1-781-850-2087 > Cell: +1-613-401-5141 > Email: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>
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