On 01/07/2011 09:11 PM, Jim Campbell wrote: > Hi All, > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Glenn de Groot > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hello, > > here are some of my thoughts: > > Chromium looks really odd and alien on linux, and Midori is > unstable, so I say stick with FF. > Claws-mail is really good and lightweight, it will be a good > thunderbird replacement. > Exaile is not bad but I like (the new) Audacious a lot. > It has a beautiful gtk interface and is the most lightweight > player I have seen. > I'm all in for gmusicbrowser in the default installation. Don't know about lightweightness versus Audacious though. > > > Also, has lightdm ever been considered? > It seems to be awesome and much lighter then gdm. > Lxdm is good too. > LightDM has and is been considered, AFAIK. > > > -Glenn > > > > If you haven't seen the latest issue, Linux Journal has a quick look > at some alternate desktop environments, and the first one featured is > Xfce on Xubuntu. The primary* thing that they noted was that the > default Xubuntu install ran with 325mb of RAM used, while Ubuntu's > default RAM usage after boot-up was 328mb (by contrast, Lubuntu used > just 167mb of RAM). They actually suggested using Ubuntu with > lighter-weight apps (i.e., Installing Ubuntu and replacing Rhythmbox > with Exaile, etc.) over using Xubuntu. (Note that they didn't > *dislike* Xubuntu, but just thought it wasn't a big advantage to use > Xfce over Gnome.) > > Xubuntu may load some useful features that Lubuntu doesn't load, but > that RAM usage number is one measuring stick that people use. Would it > be worthwhile to consider any changes that might allow for lesser > memory usage at boot? I'd be willing to help with testing out various > configurations and reporting back to the group if that would help. I don't really know if it's feasible or technically possible to accomplish, but we could try disabling services by default, and then give the user a choice to enable those later (more easily than from the normal services settings). For example, CUPS isn't needed in every PC. > > Also, I went back to look at the "Should we use Chromium?" thread from > 2009, and a couple of things have changed since then . . . Chromium is > now stable (it was in beta at the time), there is a legitimate > ad-blocking extension (not just ad-hiding), and it now allows for > community translations (meaning we wouldn't be limited to Google > Chrome's default language set.). These were all larger concerns at > that time. Switching to Chromium by default sounds good, if it really does much difference. If it's not a huge saving memory-/performancewise, then I'd maybe say no. > > I'm indifferent on the mail application. If it means that we could > get rid of Xulrunner (which would require switching to Chromium and > Clawsmail), it might be worth considering switching to Clawsmail, > too. I think yelp uses Xulrunner, though, and yelp gets pulled in > with some of our gnome-apps, like file-roller. Thunderbird is something I personally *need*. It being the default is not mandatory, especially if we can get rid of Xulrunner.
I can completely live without file-roller, if we can find any replacement, even a bit more memory-consuming. If Yelp truly uses Xulrunner, would somebody like to find out which apps require Yelp in the default Xubuntu installation so we can start shooting those out? > > Jim > > *They also incorrectly ascribed the nice-looking theme to work by > Canonical. I'll have to write a letter to the editor about that one. > : ) Thanks, Jim. That's appreciated :) Cheers, -- Pasi Lallinaho » http://open.knome.fi/ Leader of the Shimmer Project » http://shimmerproject.org/ Webdesigner, graphic artist, Ubuntu member » IRC: knome @ freenode
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