-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:58:03 +0200 Pasi Lallinaho <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 01/07/2011 09:51 PM, Allan Button wrote: > > Browser choice is normally based on personal preference. Would it be > > possible to have a first run menu that asks the end user what browser > > they want, and what feature sets they would like? > > > > This may be a step backwards, but I think of centos and anaconda > > asking me what packages I want by default. Something similar but > > simpler could help cut down on the memory footprint. > > > > For me on my laptop, I don't need printing support, but would prefer > > firefox and thunderbird despite them being a little more memory > > intensive. > > > > I would also be happy to drop any media application, because my laptop > > is just used for field work for my company. I used to uninstall > > openoffice when it was included too. > > > > If this menu was presented after the install, then apt could be used > > to fetch the packages. This would free up some space on the cd, and > > help manage the fact that chromium updates every 6 weeks. > Yes and no. I'd like to have those packages on the CD, so that when > you've installed the system you still don't need a CD to be able to > install any media player etc. Not all of us have internet at our hands > all the time, some PC's are really really rarely connected if ever. > > > > Allan Button > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 2011-01-07, at 12:34 PM, Micah Gersten <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> On 01/07/2011 01:11 PM, Jim Campbell wrote: > >> > Hi All, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Glenn de Groot > >> > >> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Hello, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > here are some of my thoughts: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Chromium looks really odd and alien on linux, and Midori is > >> > >> > unstable, so I say stick with FF. > >> > >> > Claws-mail is really good and lightweight, it will be a > >> good > >> > >> > thunderbird replacement. > >> > >> > Exaile is not bad but I like (the new) Audacious a lot. > >> > >> > It has a beautiful gtk interface and is the most > >> lightweight > >> > >> > player I have seen. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Also, has lightdm ever been considered? > >> > >> > It seems to be awesome and much lighter then gdm. > >> > >> > Lxdm is good too. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > -Glenn > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > If you haven't seen the latest issue, Linux Journal has a > >> quick look > >> > >> > at some alternate desktop environments, and the first one > >> featured > >> > >> > is Xfce on Xubuntu. The primary* thing that they noted was > >> that the > >> > >> > default Xubuntu install ran with 325mb of RAM used, while > >> Ubuntu's > >> > >> > default RAM usage after boot-up was 328mb (by contrast, > >> Lubuntu used > >> > >> > just 167mb of RAM). They actually suggested using Ubuntu > >> with > >> > >> > lighter-weight apps (i.e., Installing Ubuntu and replacing > >> Rhythmbox > >> > >> > with Exaile, etc.) over using Xubuntu. (Note that they > >> didn't > >> > >> > *dislike* Xubuntu, but just thought it wasn't a big > >> advantage to use > >> > >> > Xfce over Gnome.) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Xubuntu may load some useful features that Lubuntu doesn't > >> load, but > >> > >> > that RAM usage number is one measuring stick that people > >> use. Would > >> > >> > it be worthwhile to consider any changes that might allow > >> for lesser > >> > >> > memory usage at boot? I'd be willing to help with testing > >> out > >> > >> > various configurations and reporting back to the group if > >> that would > >> > >> > help. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Also, I went back to look at the "Should we use Chromium?" > >> thread > >> > >> > from 2009, and a couple of things have changed since then . > >> . . > >> > >> > Chromium is now stable (it was in beta at the time), there > >> is a > >> > >> > legitimate ad-blocking extension (not just ad-hiding), and > >> it now > >> > >> > allows for community translations (meaning we wouldn't be > >> limited to > >> > >> > Google Chrome's default language set.). These were all > >> larger > >> > >> > concerns at that time. > >> One problem with Chromium is that there are major updates every 6 > >> weeks, so the default will be ever changing throughout the cycle. > >> Firefox should only have one major update throughout the cycle. Also, > >> the Chromium debs are larger than the ones for Firefox. > >> > > >> > >> > I'm indifferent on the mail application. If it means that > >> we could > >> > >> > get rid of Xulrunner (which would require switching to > >> Chromium and > >> > >> > Clawsmail), it might be worth considering switching to > >> Clawsmail, > >> > >> > too. I think yelp uses Xulrunner, though, and yelp gets > >> pulled in > >> > >> > with some of our gnome-apps, like file-roller. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Jim > >> > >> > > >> > >> > *They also incorrectly ascribed the nice-looking theme to > >> work by > >> > >> > Canonical. I'll have to write a letter to the editor about > >> that > >> > >> > one. : ) > >> Yelp should be the only thing using xulrunner at the moment in Xubuntu > >> as Firefox and Thunderbird each have their own copy. If yelp is > >> ported to webkit, then xulrunner can be dropped, but webkit will be > >> pulled in. > What about getting rid of Yelp altogether? I am all for this, however, there are applications such as gnumeric that depend on Yelp for their help files. Who is going to port those help files away from yelp? - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNJ5yqAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAaooH/iyVCBufmz8dZFHeUwvzst03 PfZUnZ2f7U1myegkZ2JDouy6dOBaDvroes46kJeT31izYYCDj8BL8wUD7LiDezo8 xPd4B1k3zX4Chquwrtpo9ylHH0ts0yfpLf8f8QZ8b+YXWi/f1mtQRxauVcpgDpGC Ualw4Q7cMokCJVwX73gXI4I3b6AqKoAuH/gIhgLOa3Bv3lnXMm/CESc/+dhvUD6N XFyuReajqF1fN8kIJn1RXuh0BHjHp/tdcAoWewaUA7qDi81PoJtO6vVF4YE451by an7jxSpk0q2VHOGwP2Uhls9PX/I/yRIm/XNjK2lN2TRuVe+xBSRyBlZs1fb8z18= =pFNE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- xubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
