You see you have issues,I think YOU should learn to understand issues and not separate for the sake, the issue here is that you are or whoever did, digging in the life of this MAN simply because he is a leader not as an individual,also I beg to differ with the fact that the mentioned statements are anything to panick about.they are not as problematic as "HIV does not cause AIDS" or "there is no crisis in Zimbambe" so comrades should not have selective memory.I think we shold reprimand mr. D.Tutu said he will not vote, please com be consistent in your aguement,if you blame speeches do that to all of them.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:39 AM To: Madlavu, Simphiwe Cc: Blouw, Zitulele; Bobani, Lindile; Cakwebe, Ronnie; Chiliwe, Misumzi; Jack, Thumeka; Jikeka, Wandisile; Katshu, Zamekile; Malgas, Nicholas; Mantla, Mzwabantu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ndlazilwana, Lazola; Vusumzi Ketelo; [email protected]; Yoliswa Memela Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results I think you should learn to differentiate issues. Here we were talking about Julius as a person and not as a leader of which I do not give a damn about his leadership style. Yes I know that he was democratically elected in Mangaung of which I do not dispute that regardless of the way he was elected. But as intwana ekhule ngaphandle ko Tata there is a lot that he is missing and i still remember when he was in COSAS he had no respect for elders and these things that he is saying that he would kill for Zuma is not something new as he mentioned that he will burn the jail that will imprison Winnie if convicted. There is a youth program and he is not emphasizing it. Le ntwana i ruthless as he was now fighting for the abolishment of the investment company of the YL and he shut his mouth when he was given inqatha and became an accountant and he is currently being given grant to study and he is quiet about the investment company. Mandime apho ndilinde lamatsha ntliziyo aphendule. ASKULUME Regards Zama Speelman ETDP HR: Factory Training Continental Tyre SA (Pty) Ltd P.O. Box 699, Port Elizabeth, 6000 Cadle Street, New Brighton West, Port Elizabeth, 6000 Tel: 041 406 5111(reception) Tel: 041 406 5408 (direct-line) F2E: 086 657 9399 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.continental.co.za "Madlavu, Simphiwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To za> "Cakwebe, Ronnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 10/27/2008 07:07 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> AM cc "Malgas, Nicholas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bobani, Lindile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Yoliswa Memela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mantla, Mzwabantu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jikeka, Wandisile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jack, Thumeka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Blouw, Zitulele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Katshu, Zamekile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chiliwe, Misumzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Vusumzi Ketelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ndlazilwana, Lazola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Com you are inline and also you are proving what I've constantly mantained, that a debate should not be left in the hands of the so called fundi's. Although I'm in the E.Cape,I've had the oportunity to meet the comrade whilst he was at COSAS, he was this vibrant. Coming back to the issue of certificate,mine is similar to that of Malema, I'm a brilliant somebody even if I say so myself, however you will not see that in any certificate. The point I'm making is that, the dogs will bark at a moving car,if you wrestle with pigs you will get dirt and the pigs will love it.Malema deserves the respect that others claim he doesnt have,as a human being and as leader of one of the large youth formations in the continent.People should know that as youth our voice matter and Malema is that voice.We will be damned if we are going to let the so called I repeat the so called interlectuals to be the voice of our community,we dare not listen to them. the society has been hijacked by the phobia of political debate and we dare not give in. phambili Malema phambili!!! From: Cakwebe, Ronnie Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Malgas, Nicholas; Madlavu, Simphiwe; Bobani, Lindile Subject: FW: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results DERRICK HLUKANA NO MALEMA UZODLIWA ZIZINJA ZOMBUTHO IINTNGA ZAKHO KE PHOFU From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sabelo gina Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Comrade Mondli, I am proud of you my chief, well articulated point. Comradely, Cedric Gina. On 10/24/08, Mondli Hlatshwayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi comrades I want to state it from the very onset that I am not a Julius Malema's fan. I really disagree with a number of statements that have been made by Malema in the media. I think his approach to politics is not advancing the interest of the South African youth but that is debate for another day. On the other hand, I do think though that those who are socialists and activists should not fall into the trap of the petty bourgeois elements, the analysts of the bourgeois order and the mass media. During our dark of the struggle, formal education and qualifications were always taken with a pinch of salt. We knew that in general formal education was there to serve the interest of the apartheid capitalist system. Our approach was to go to the school and use them as a site of struggle. Of course, we studied and got formal qualification but individual qualifications and certificates were not glorified. If you read a popular pamphlet issues by students of 1976 called, "To town, To Ellof", you will notice that for them the certificate was the struggle. We had a lot of comrades who did not have all these formal qualifications but they performed better politically. In many cases, these comrades were sharper than those who had university qualification. The struggle was their school. In fact, their education was what we call popular education which was based on collective learning and sharing of experiences. These were grassroots intellectuals or what Gramsci would call organic intellectuals. A number of these comrades were shop stewards, student leaders and so on. In fact, these comrades were able to debate with professors and academics. These comrades ran their own study circles and read the Learning Nation of the then New Nation. The mass movement and the struggle gave these comrades education. . Today, we are faced with a situation where certain petty bourgeois elements want to judge us on the basis of our grammar, pronunciation, certificates and even matric results. In other words, it is only those who have masters degree who are entitled to public opinions. We must never forget that the apartheid system never provided the black working class children with proper education. Even today, it is the kids of the middle class and the ruling class who are able to excel in formal education because they have all the material support from their parents. Over the past few days, I witnessed a very painful and a touching incident in Freedom Park, the South of Johannesburg. I had gone for a meeting there. There was a working class kid at the meeting. He is probably three years old but he could not hold the pen properly. Now if you were to compare that with middle class and upper class kids, what do you get? The kids from better family backgrounds at that age are starting to read and write. They even speak English fluently. They are exposed to computers. Now we can see right from the beginning that this working class kid is unlikely to compete with the kids of the middle classes. I have worked with a lot of good comrades who do not have matric results. Do I then undermine these comrades just because they never matriculated? I think that would be reactionary and backward on my part. I have to confess that these comrades sometimes perform political tasks much better than the certificate-wielding petty bourgeois elements. Yours in the struggle for the total emancipation of the working class Mondli Hlatshwayo 0843773003 Volkswagen of South Africa (Pty) Ltd. (Reg No. 1946/023458/07) Managing Director: D Powels Directors: M Glendinning (Sales & Marketing), S Mund* (Finance), S Macozoma, PJ Smith (Human Resources), N Maliza (Corporate and Government Affairs) German* DISCLAIMER : Volkswagen of South Africa (Pty) Ltd Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. No liability shall attach whatsoever to VWSA from this communication except where the sender is acting on specific authority of VWSA, such authority being public record and acknowledged by VWSA by nature of the employee's functions. 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