Sure VC, good decision!

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

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> Bye-bye Sgidi. You're banned.
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> VC
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sgidi Mosala
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:32 AM
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> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
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> Cde Lazola, I think U are dead wrong. Julias does not have both practical
> and theoritical capacity to lead the revolutionary Youth Movement.
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> If he has the said capacity ! Where is the program of the ANCYL, Provinces
> are dying a natural death. The only thing preoccupying his mind is how to
> symphone Lembede Investment Arm resources.
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> I am utterly dissapointed in all of those who allege that this boy can
> lead. He is just like a child who make noise to draw the attention of the
> parents, irrespective of the timing.
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> I don't hate him I despise his unpolitical and antirevolutionary conduct.
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> *From:* "Ndlazilwana, Lazola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* "Madlavu, Simphiwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cakwebe, Ronnie" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Cc:* "Malgas, Nicholas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bobani, Lindile" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Yoliswa Memela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mantla, Mzwabantu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jikeka,
> Wandisile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jack, Thumeka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "Blouw, Zitulele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Katshu, Zamekile" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Chiliwe, Misumzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Vusumzi
> Ketelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2008 6:19:32 PM
> *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
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> I wonder who in the history of the movement did apply or produced his
> qualifications in order for him to be elected in to a leadership
> position?Anyway even if there is one who did so for arguement sake who will
> be responsible for shortlisting.Cdes in this movement we accept anyone who
> has the potential to lead not only in theory but also in practice as this
> young lion is doing Malema will lead the ANCYL as long as he is still
> carrying the mandate if young people of this country.All what is doing or
> saying on the content is the mandate we gave him on the 23rd conference it
> has nothing to do with his matric result.I wonder how many sport celebrity
> who obtained scholarship abroad based on their sporting perfomance than
> their academics some now are the adminstrators of sport structures so why
> there is noise on this young politician.Viva
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> *From:* Madlavu, Simphiwe
> *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2008 7:08 AM
> *To:* Cakwebe, Ronnie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> *Cc:* Malgas, Nicholas; Bobani, Lindile; Yoliswa Memela; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> Mantla, Mzwabantu; Jikeka, Wandisile; Jack, Thumeka; Blouw, Zitulele;
> Katshu, Zamekile; Chiliwe, Misumzi; Vusumzi Ketelo; Ndlazilwana, Lazola;
> [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
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> you are inline and also you are proving what I've constantly mantained,
> that a debate should not be left in the hands of the so called fundi's.
> Although I'm in the E.Cape,I've had the oportunity to meet the comrade
> whilst he was at COSAS, he was this vibrant. Coming back to the issue of
> certificate,mine is similar to that of Malema, I'm a brilliant somebody even
> if I say so myself, however you will not see that in any certificate. The
> point I'm making is that, the dogs will bark at a moving car,if you wrestle
> with pigs you will get dirt and the pigs will love it.Malema deserves the
> respect that others claim he doesnt have,as a human being and as leader of
> one of the large youth formations in the continent.People should know that
> as youth our voice matter and Malema is that voice.We will be damned if we
> are going to let the so called I repeat the so called interlectuals to be
> the voice of our community,we dare not listen to them. the society has been
> hijacked by the phobia of political debate and we dare not give in. phambili
> Malema phambili!!!
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> *From:* Cakwebe, Ronnie
> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 11:15 PM
> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Cc:* Malgas, Nicholas; Madlavu, Simphiwe; Bobani, Lindile
> *Subject:* FW: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
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> DERRICK HLUKANA NO MALEMA UZODLIWA ZIZINJA ZOMBUTHO IINTNGA ZAKHO KE PHOFU
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *sabelo gina
> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results
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> Comrade Mondli,
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> I am proud of you my chief, well articulated point.
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> Comradely,
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> Cedric Gina.
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> On 10/24/08, *Mondli Hlatshwayo* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi comrades
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>  I want to state it from the very onset that I am not a Julius Malema's
> fan. I really disagree with a number of statements that have been made by
> Malema in the media. I think his approach to politics is not advancing the
> interest of the South African youth but that is debate for another day.
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>  On the other hand, I do think though that those who are socialists and
> activists should not fall into the trap of the petty bourgeois elements, the
> analysts of the bourgeois order and the mass media. During our dark of the
> struggle, formal education and qualifications were always taken with a pinch
> of salt. We knew that in general formal education was there to serve the
> interest of the apartheid capitalist system.
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>  Our approach was to go to the school and use them as a site of struggle.
> Of course, we studied and got formal qualification but individual
> qualifications and certificates were not glorified. If you read a popular
> pamphlet issues by students of 1976 called, "To town, To Ellof", you will
> notice that for them the certificate was the struggle. We had a lot of
> comrades who did not have all these formal qualifications but they performed
> better politically. In many cases, these comrades were sharper than those
> who had university qualification. The struggle was their school.
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>  In fact, their education was what we call popular education which was
> based on collective learning and sharing of experiences. These were
> grassroots intellectuals or what Gramsci would call organic intellectuals. A
> number of these comrades were shop stewards, student leaders and so on. In
> fact, these comrades were able to debate with professors and academics.
> These comrades ran their own study circles and read the Learning Nation of
> the then New Nation. The mass movement and the struggle gave these comrades
> education. .
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>  Today, we are faced with a situation where certain petty bourgeois
> elements want to judge us on the basis of our grammar, pronunciation,
> certificates and even matric results. In other words, it is only those who
> have masters degree who are entitled to public opinions. We must never
> forget that the apartheid system never provided the black working class
> children with proper education. Even today, it is the kids of the middle
> class and the ruling class who are able to excel in formal education because
> they have all the material support from their parents.
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> Over the past few days, I witnessed a very painful and a touching incident
> in Freedom Park, the South of Johannesburg. I had gone for a meeting there.
> There was a working class kid at the meeting. He is probably three years old
> but he could not hold the pen properly. Now if you were to compare that with
> middle class and upper class kids, what do you get? The kids from better
> family backgrounds at that age are starting to read and write. They even
> speak English fluently. They are exposed to computers. Now we can see right
> from the beginning that this working class kid is unlikely to compete with
> the kids of the middle classes.
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>  I have worked with a lot of good comrades who do not have matric results.
> Do I then undermine these comrades just because they never matriculated? I
> think that would be reactionary and backward on my part. I have to confess
> that these comrades sometimes perform political tasks much better than the
> certificate-wielding petty bourgeois elements.
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>  Yours in the struggle for the total emancipation of the working class
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> Mondli Hlatshwayo
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