CDE'S I KNOW THAT MALEMA SURNAME ITS IN FASHION NOWADAYS AND PEOPLE START TO CALL NAMES BUT THE MANGAUNG CONFERENCE HAS DECIDED AND WHO EVER HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT IN TSWANA WE USE TO SAY "O TLA E METSA E GALAKA".LIKE IT OR NOT HE IS ANCYL PRESIDENT.
FELLOW CDE'S I HOPE YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME HERE LEKOTA AND SHILOWA (SHIKOTA)ARE POLITICAL POWER HUNGRY PEOPLE AND THEY ARE MEDIA FRIENDS. SO LETS NOT WASTE OUR TIME FOCUSING ON THEM BUT ON COMING ELECTIONS THOSE PEOPLE DOESN'T HAVE A PARTY NOW.THEY ARE ONLY OPPORTUNISTS THAT WILL FAIL EVEN TO FACE THE CHALLENGES COMING THEIR WAY. DONT FORGET THIS SAY DEVIDE THEM AND LEAD THEM. THIS WAS THE CONCEPT THAT WAS USED BY LEADERS OF THE OLD BANTU STANDS WHEN POWER HUNGRY WAS CONTROLLING THEM AND FAIL TO UNITE ALL BANTU STANDS BUT INSTEAD EVERYONE TAKE HIS PIECE AND CALL HIMSELF A LEADER/PRESIDENT. SAKAIYO ________________________________ From: Steve Mamphekgo. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 13:36:55 Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Cde Sifiso is correct. The questions or concerns raised by Cde Patro are not new and have been responded to previously, of course not attempting to suppress discussions on issues. My contribution in providing Cde Patro with response to his questions, I want to allude to the following: 1. Relevance of Cde Julius as the President of the ANCYL. As a matter of principle, the question was answered sufficiently in Mangaung, when thousands of members of the ANCYL voted Cde Malema as the President. The Congress of the Youth League is the only platform to answer such a question, and indeed they have done so. 2. Twin Task of the ANCYL. Since the ANCYL Congress this year, Cde Malema and the NEC of the Youth League have managed to focus on the twin task of the Youth League. The problem is that the media in our country thrives on sensational journalism to sell their newspapers, so they are only interested in the other task (mobilizing the young people behind the banner of the ANC), as it is considered to be news-worthy at the moment. The discussions around the establishment of the National Youth Development Agency are at an advanced stage, and the Bill has already been drafted for this purpose. By the way, we are not talking Youth Ministry in the ANCYL, but NYDA. The other reality is that between the twin tasks, the ANCYL cannot delegate its responsibility to mobilize the young people behind the banner of the ANC to any structure, but it can at least give a mandate to government institutions such as the Youth Development Agency to pursue the youth development responsibility. 3. Building structures of the ANCYL. This is an important task for the Youth League, as it must build solid branches that will be able to implement decisions taken at Congress. I am sure comrades are working on this, and the Secretary General is leading on this responsibility. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sifiso Ntanzi Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema's Matric Results Hi Cadre Your questions seem to suggest that you are not part of you ANCYL branch. My understanding is that the youth league has been and is at the forefront of the youth struggle. Maybe my reasoning is wrong but I think comrade Julius does address the issues you raising but the media does not highlight them because all that they want to hear from Julius is the word Jacob Zuma. I have heard that some journalist fall asleep when the word Jacob Zuma is not mentioned. The YL came out with resolutions on education, health and social security of the youth but the media didn't highlight such issues. Maybe we need to go read these resolutions and discuss them in respective branches. Kind Regards Mr Sifiso S. Ntanzi Provincial Research Technician ND Agric: Animal Production Tel 012 672 9118 Fax 012 665 1563 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell 079 878 2323 >>> "Patro Modise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008/10/29 08:52 AM >>> dear comrades let raise this question before the forum to deliberate and debate it. My questions are such that despite Malemas' lack of practical and theoretical capacity to lead the revolutionary young movement can the forum respond to following inferences: 1. was Malema the relevant candidate for te presidency for the ANCYL ? 2. why Malema seems to not incalcate the primary twin tasks of the ANCYL ? 3. why is Malema not focusing on the youth development programmes that are aimed at bettering the lives of the young people? 4. why if Malema so passionately championed the matters regarding the ANC leadership why can't he also champion the matters that are affecting the structure he is the president of ? 5. the vibrancy of the youth has been peeled off by haulers and leadership thats only interested lambasting when driving their political scores. 6. why can't Malema be vocal in fighting for the establishment of the youth ministry to place in the cabinet next government and purge the establishment of youth commission, usobomvu and so the like of institutions that have created young elites who do not care about defending the gain of our revolution? 7. why can't Malema be vocal in lobby and advocacy for the youth interest in a broaders spectrum and champion the youth intersts. 8. why can't Malema mobilise the youth to rally behing the banner and mission of the ANC amid the doltrums and challenges that are facing the movement in this juncture of political climate and mobilise the youth to vote for the ANC and not to become too much concerned or focused on the SHIKOTAS of this world 9. ANCYL branches are none functional or dead and not to mention the provinces. 10. since the National Conference of the ANCYL where are ther organisational programme, what about the resolution of the conference and what about uniting the ANCYL, there are many questions comrades. But like I suggested let the leadersip of the ANCYL be assisted rather than be defended. LEt us not be blinded by loyalty because it the weakest link that is hindering robust and organic political debates in our movement. Let us be objective comrades Amandla>>>>>>>>>>> Comrades correct me if I am wrong, Malema is or has deviated from the main core of the ANCYL principles and policies. He seems to have forgotten the core mandate of the ANCYL. Let engage -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sabelo gina Sent: 28 October 2008 06:54 To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Sure VC, good decision! On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sgidi, I censor spam. You are spamming this group. Bye-bye Sgidi. You're banned. VC From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sgidi Mosala Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Cde Lazola, I think U are dead wrong. Julias does not have both practical and theoritical capacity to lead the revolutionary Youth Movement. If he has the said capacity ! Where is the program of the ANCYL, Provinces are dying a natural death. The only thing preoccupying his mind is how to symphone Lembede Investment Arm resources. I am utterly dissapointed in all of those who allege that this boy can lead. He is just like a child who make noise to draw the attention of the parents, irrespective of the timing. I don't hate him I despise his unpolitical and antirevolutionary conduct. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- From: "Ndlazilwana, Lazola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Madlavu, Simphiwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cakwebe, Ronnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Malgas, Nicholas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bobani, Lindile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Yoliswa Memela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mantla, Mzwabantu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jikeka, Wandisile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jack, Thumeka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Blouw, Zitulele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Katshu, Zamekile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Chiliwe, Misumzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Vusumzi Ketelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:19:32 PM Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results I wonder who in the history of the movement did apply or produced his qualifications in order for him to be elected in to a leadership position?Anyway even if there is one who did so for arguement sake who will be responsible for shortlisting.Cdes in this movement we accept anyone who has the potential to lead not only in theory but also in practice as this young lion is doing Malema will lead the ANCYL as long as he is still carrying the mandate if young people of this country.All what is doing or saying on the content is the mandate we gave him on the 23rd conference it has nothing to do with his matric result.I wonder how many sport celebrity who obtained scholarship abroad based on their sporting perfomance than their academics some now are the adminstrators of sport structures so why there is noise on this young politician.Viva ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- From: Madlavu, Simphiwe Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:08 AM To: Cakwebe, Ronnie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Malgas, Nicholas; Bobani, Lindile; Yoliswa Memela; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mantla, Mzwabantu; Jikeka, Wandisile; Jack, Thumeka; Blouw, Zitulele; Katshu, Zamekile; Chiliwe, Misumzi; Vusumzi Ketelo; Ndlazilwana, Lazola; [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Com you are inline and also you are proving what I've constantly mantained, that a debate should not be left in the hands of the so called fundi's. Although I'm in the E.Cape,I've had the oportunity to meet the comrade whilst he was at COSAS, he was this vibrant. Coming back to the issue of certificate,mine is similar to that of Malema, I'm a brilliant somebody even if I say so myself, however you will not see that in any certificate. The point I'm making is that, the dogs will bark at a moving car,if you wrestle with pigs you will get dirt and the pigs will love it.Malema deserves the respect that others claim he doesnt have,as a human being and as leader of one of the large youth formations in the continent.People should know that as youth our voice matter and Malema is that voice.We will be damned if we are going to let the so called I repeat the so called interlectuals to be the voice of our community,we dare not listen to them. the society has been hijacked by the phobia of political debate and we dare not give in. phambili Malema phambili!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- From: Cakwebe, Ronnie Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Malgas, Nicholas; Madlavu, Simphiwe; Bobani, Lindile Subject: FW: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results DERRICK HLUKANA NO MALEMA UZODLIWA ZIZINJA ZOMBUTHO IINTNGA ZAKHO KE PHOFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sabelo gina Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Malema's Matric Results Comrade Mondli, I am proud of you my chief, well articulated point. Comradely, Cedric Gina. On 10/24/08, Mondli Hlatshwayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi comrades I want to state it from the very onset that I am not a Julius Malema's fan. I really disagree with a number of statements that have been made by Malema in the media. I think his approach to politics is not advancing the interest of the South African youth but that is debate for another day. On the other hand, I do think though that those who are socialists and activists should not fall into the trap of the petty bourgeois elements, the analysts of the bourgeois order and the mass media. During our dark of the struggle, formal education and qualifications were always taken with a pinch of salt. We knew that in general formal education was there to serve the interest of the apartheid capitalist system. Our approach was to go to the school and use them as a site of struggle. Of course, we studied and got formal qualification but individual qualifications and certificates were not glorified. If you read a popular pamphlet issues by students of 1976 called, "To town, To Ellof", you will notice that for them the certificate was the struggle. We had a lot of comrades who did not have all these formal qualifications but they performed better politically. In many cases, these comrades were sharper than those who had university qualification. The struggle was their school. In fact, their education was what we call popular education which was based on collective learning and sharing of experiences. These were grassroots intellectuals or what Gramsci would call organic intellectuals. A number of these comrades were shop stewards, student leaders and so on. In fact, these comrades were able to debate with professors and academics. These comrades ran their own study circles and read the Learning Nation of the then New Nation. The mass movement and the struggle gave these comrades education. . Today, we are faced with a situation where certain petty bourgeois elements want to judge us on the basis of our grammar, pronunciation, certificates and even matric results. In other words, it is only those who have masters degree who are entitled to public opinions. We must never forget that the apartheid system never provided the black working class children with proper education. Even today, it is the kids of the middle class and the ruling class who are able to excel in formal education because they have all the material support from their parents. Over the past few days, I witnessed a very painful and a touching incident in Freedom Park, the South of Johannesburg. I had gone for a meeting there. There was a working class kid at the meeting. He is probably three years old but he could not hold the pen properly. Now if you were to compare that with middle class and upper class kids, what do you get? The kids from better family backgrounds at that age are starting to read and write. They even speak English fluently. They are exposed to computers. Now we can see right from the beginning that this working class kid is unlikely to compete with the kids of the middle classes. I have worked with a lot of good comrades who do not have matric results. Do I then undermine these comrades just because they never matriculated? I think that would be reactionary and backward on my part. I have to confess that these comrades sometimes perform political tasks much better than the certificate-wielding petty bourgeois elements. Yours in the struggle for the total emancipation of the working class Mondli Hlatshwayo 0843773003 Volkswagen of South Africa (Pty) Ltd. 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