Comrade Dominic Normally when a graphic designer issues a design of this nature he/she also submits a thought process statement which is basically the designer's interpretation of the design from there the client can decide looking at the logo and designer's interpretation to see if its in line with his/their vision and mission. In this case I fail to understand why are we wasting our time with newspaper's interpretation of other parties logo's we need to teach our society that newspaper interpretation is always subjective opinion of the writer and having said that I struggler even more who does this assist us in keeping focused and concentrate on the current mandate at hand.
We honestly need to move away from score-keeping and score taking type arguments with COPE,there is no good that will come out of ANC scrutinising other parties logo's, DA has also released a logo over the weekend but us scrutinising the COPE logo we just give them more publicity that they want. I rather focus our energy on really strategising to get down to the core issues of youth in our country now its time not to talk but listen to the youth of country. The youth dont want to be told what to do but want to be listened to so lets find ways to looby young people to now vote for the ANC,they have registered so now we need to make sure we have their votes. I just hope this make sense. On a totally different subject,based on latest address by comrade Malema @ Kimberly I think its time now that YL *internally and quitely* calls Comrade Malema to order we can't afford to be addressing our country and not having a "united front" approach by our speakers let us deal with problems internally and behind closed doors NOT in the media part of comrade Malema's statement there was uncalled for(Get me right I am not saying it wrong) it was the wrong platform to address tell Comrade premier that she can leave. Having said this we also need to over solution to the 'on-going dellema" around comrade Malema's statements/addresses its time that Comrade Malema gets a team that will do proper and upto date research for his addresses on what Young wants and need it will also help if Comrade Malema is assited with his statement/addresses so that he maximise the time given productively with no statements that seats bitter in majority of the listeners/supporters. Remember the late commander-and -chief O.R was continuesly consulting fellow comrades when it come to statements/addresses he was suppose to make so I strongly suggest Comrade Malema start doing that or he must be encouraged to look within the ANC for such assitance ANC members make up the largest university on its own and he must learn to use members to the movement advantage.I would also encourage comrade Malema on this suggested team to have proper media statement released and engage with the reporters properly,I have noticed that reporters have a tendency to publicise only the negative part of comrade Malema's statement but when you read at the whole press statement there is alot that the comrade said that is extremely important but the reporters did not seems to want to publicise that,which brings me to the issue of is the media trying to pull the ANC down on purpose and why? This is just a suggestion comrades donat shoot it down I maybe wrong but one thing I know everytime we make damage control of comrade Malema's public statements and try to make the youth to understand comrade Malema turns around and make another similar damage,he was doing fine for weeks up until recent statement now all that effort put in by comrade seems like a waste. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Dominic Tweedie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I'm also not sure that I understand you, comrade. Would you like to > explain a bit more? > > > > Do you mean, for example, that graphic symbols do not matter and have no > importance in politics? > > > > I get a different impression. Nearly all the people's organisations have > logos, and they regard them, I think, as being invested with meaning. > > > > Likewise, they have songs and dances and poems and special clothes as well > as prose. Politics is not set aside from the people's general culture, nor > is it confined to prose text. > > > > The terrains of all of these media are politically contested. > > > > The editor of The Times (Ray Hartley) says in his blog that the new > ShikoDA-COPE logo represents the Wheel of Unity that was first used at the > 1955 Congress of the People and which nowadays appears in both the ANC and > the COSATU logos. In my opinion Ray Hartley's argument is false. This new > sign of the ShikoDAs is not our eight-spoked Wheel of Unity, but is the Sun > Cross. > > > > Yours in struggle, > > > > Dominic. > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Mpho Tabane > *Sent:* 16 November 2008 12:04 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Re: COPE and the fascist Sun Cross > > > > I fail to understand the relevance of the information on COPE how does this > help ANC to stay focused? > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Dominic Tweedie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The "COPE" logo, adopted by the Shikota Party and published on 15 November > 2008 in the Johannesburg "Star" newspaper, is as follows: > > > > [image: COPE.jpg] > > > > (*Taken from a screen dump of the image on the Star web site; apologies > for the poor quality*) > > > > The COPE logo looks a lot like the head of an ordinary screw. But if they > had done a bit more research, the Shikotas would have discovered that the > cross in the circle is a very ancient symbol, older than writing, known as > the Sun Cross. > > > > Unfortunately for the Shikotas-struggling-to-be-COPE, they are not the > first to have used the Sun Cross in modern times. The Sun Cross is closely > related to the Swastika, as can be seen from this Viking Sun Cross (*from > Google Images*): > > > > [image: SunCross.jpg] > > > > The Sun Cross is currently used by the Swedish fascist Nordic Reich Party ( > *Nordiska Rikspartiet*). > > > > The Sun Cross was also used as a symbol under the German Nazi regime, to > stand for "Positive Christianity", a Nazi term referring to a form of > "Christianity" consistent with Nazism, emphasising Christ as an active > preacher and organiser who opposed the institutionalised Judaism of his day. > Click here to read about it. > > > > Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Here is the basic Sun Cross: > > > > [image: SunCross2.jpg] > > *or* > > [image: SunCross45.jpg] > > > > The colours used by COPE are taken from the current national flag of South > Africa. Mixing those colours with symbolism tainted by fascism will not go > down well in this country. In any case, the Shikotas have no right to > expropriate the colours of the national flag, just as they have no right to > expropriate the name "Congress of the People". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. 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