[YCLSA Discussion] Sabelo Gina

[Mduduzi H Vilakazi]

I am glad you came out comrade Vincent. I, also fully, agree with Cde Sabelo.   We need to be critical to ourselves without fear or favour. I fully agree that most of statements made by leaders of the mass democratic movement as led by the ANC are difficult to defend. Communists should be distinct from nationalists by analysis, by word and by action.   I do not agree with Cde Julius regarding the Quotas. The alliance is led by the ANC but is not the ANC. Decisions of the ANC are not the only decision that should bind others from the alliance. The Party and COSATU as independent structures held their congresses and made resolutions. Among the resolutions includes reconfigured alliance (Party) and the pact (COSATU).   Both these resolutions cannot be meaningless because the ANC did not resolve as such. The reasons regarding these pact approach or reconfigured alliance are there in the resolutions and the discussion papers by both the alliance components. I therefore do not believe that resolutions of the ANC should be the only reference in alliance meetings and programmes.   just a reminder, The party was the first to be banned under the suppression of communism act in 1950. The party went underground and its members swelled the ranks of the ANC. The ANC changed its character and became militant and defiant in the 1950s until it was banned under the same act in 1960.   It was not by mistake that it was banned under the same act. The freedom charter, crafted in 1955 in the congress of the people, and  adopted in the ANC's 1959 congress, is socialist programme. After its banning, the ANC members were welcomed by the party members in exile. In essence, most ANC members were given scholarships and work by communists structures from various countries through the SACP.   The ANC was popularized by the SACP. It cannot be President Malema who should today dictate terms for the alliance. The alliance was configured and the alliance should be reconfigured. Communists in government should account to their organization (the party). This can only happen when the party (as well as COSATU) has an agreed quota in parliament accountable to it.   This will ensure that issues and policies are thoroughly discussed to prevent adoption of reactionary policies in parliament. All communist university mates agrees with me that the ANC alone in parliament delays socialism. Lastly, the land expropriation bill should be re-presented in parliament. land is an economic asset that will assist masses of our people to enter cooperatives that will ensure they survive from it.   lets engage the issues as raised.   >>> "Vincent Masoga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 19/11/2008 12:31 >>> Comrades wait a little here. I agree with cde Sabelo. At some point we are going to have to be critical of one another, not for point scoring or certain public humiliations. But for the sake of the very same revolution we are all on about. I think you comrades are just accusing comrade Sabelo for something you are equally not fully aware of. Irrespective of what the media says about Julius, of which i concure that the media is being opportunistic, Julius himself did say thing that as a young communist i do not agree upon and they are way too close to my heart for mo not to talk about.   When he publicly rejected the 30% quota proposal by the Party & YCL, we did not agree with him. He went even further to justify that argument with things we do not agree with him on. I also personally do beleive that if the media is in the business of villifying him, he should not fight them back, that way he would weaken them. It is also true that the kill statement had damaged our public image, i have felt that during the door to door and it is a reason used by some of the current defectors. I have no problem with what he raised in terms of the kill word, but i had a problem with how it was handled. period. I do not want to sound to be too defiant in rasing my personal view against views of the collective, but equally we should be careful of the culture of sychophancy.   Firstly as a YCL member and leader, i belive that we do have acute differences with the ANCYL and we should not hide them. But we will attempt to raise them in a principled manner. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Makhetha, Mzukisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: EDUCATION is needed people who are occupying positions of responsibility don't know how to defend the movement, they where not groomed properly. That is why we speak of half-baked members of the movement. Sabelo Gana you don't know who owns the media, what is propaganda. Can you really analysing issues critically? -----Original Message----- From: yclsa-eom-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:yclsa-eom-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NT Zwane Sent: 19 November 2008 11:17 AM To: yclsa-eom-forum@googlegroups.com Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Sabelo Gina Cde Sabelo Gina Please dont come here and impose the views of the arogant 702 presenters to us. I was listening to Pres Malema when he was interviewed after 12h00 at 702. It is comrades like you who worry me, you always believe everything that you here in the media.The Shikota party gained support from comrades like you, 702 planted a seed of doubt to the masses and those who are lazy to think and critically analyse issues were charmed.702 is a very reactionary radio station, so dont take everything they say and run away with it, I believe as a YCL member, as an individual who subscribe to marxism-leninism you are capable of  analysing issues critically.. This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer. Please refer to www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ for full details. / Hierdie boodskap en aanhangsels is aan 'n vrywaringsklousule onderhewig. Volledige besonderhede is by www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ beskikbaar. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to yclsa-eom-forum@googlegroups.com or reply to this message. 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