Comrades it is true that we must not accuse Cde Dominic of factionalism for posting this article. We must discuss such articles by journalists.
But I want to address the issue of Dominic and how he runs the forum. In my opinion Cde Domza is not fair as an administartor. He lambasts people whose opinions he disagrees with. That's why I find it difficult at times to debate and raise controversial issues in this forum. Further, I'm tempted to agree that if you raise issues 'that he and his cabal do not support' (Botipe supra) you will suffer his wrath. Hence I find the forum not a vehicle for freedom of expression but a means to perpetuate certain views while deliberately attacking those of others. The allegations against Blade were supposed to be open for discussion and investigated by a commission so as to hear both sides of the story. But I guess the issue is closed even before the person alleging was asked to adduce any proof and the person against whom the allegations were made could rebut such allegations. 2008/12/9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Maxabane, you are really loosing it. We have always insisted that as > Communist, we should at all times engage in substance than personalties, > what you are doing is a clear charecter assasination on Domza without > engaging with the issues raised. The issue here is about the attitude and > influence of the former Anc President Cde TM on Cope, let us not reduce > the debate on who raised it or how it was raised, but rather pay attention > on the question of whether cde Tm is involved in anyway with cope or not. > > Cadres I am astonished by your loud call for unity and uprooting of > factionalism while on the hand you are adavancing disunity and > factionalism.The manner in which you attack domza is unwarranted, if you > have concernes about the way the forum is managed, raise the issue as a > matter of principle rather than escalating it as a crisis of > factionalism.Lennin warned of these kind of tendencies in 1914, when he > wrote on "Disruption of unity under cover of outcries for unity" . I > appeal to comarades to debate the issue of Tm and his possible involvement > in Cope without emotions. Comrades should advance political reasons why we > cannot discuss Cde Tm in relation to the new political trends and > realities, after all he was Anc President and is current Ex-officio at all > National Structures. The fact Comarades is that Cde TM still remains a > public fiqure respected by millions of people bcuz of his association with > the Anc, it is logical and reasonable therefore to expect him to defend > the Anc and articulates its relavence given the current situation. His > silence on this major political developments is logically suspecious and > potentially dangerous. The other reality is that Cde Tm contunues at least > we are sure at the personal level interact with almost all these Cope > leaders, to us those people are traitors and counter-Revolutionary, we > fail to understand why our former President still keep them as associates. > Comrades should respond to these matters without resorting to attacks, > help us comrades, we need to know the role of Cde TM on this Cope thing, > attacking and valifying domza will not respond to this important question. > > Cde Kgopelo > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Comrades, >> >> It looks like this was an article from the newspaper, maybe Moffet >> Mofokeng >> is a factionalist, not Domza. Comrades, let me remind you here that you >> posted the Anele Mda interview in this forum, when others complained, you >> defended the comrades who had posted Anele's interview that was dealing >> with >> the President of the ANCYL. >> >> I appeal to you to leave Domza alone, he is doing an excellent job. In a >> letter written by Thabo Mbeki to President Jacob Zuma he complained about >> he >> called cult leadership, and I suspect that the comrades that are >> demonising >> Domza are suffering from worshipping Thabo Mbeki finish and klaar! >> >> Hands off our Domza! >> >> Comradely, >> >> Cedric Gina. >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:05 AM, kagiso nkhoma >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> >>> I totally agree with Comrades about Domsa's indigestable attitude and >>> operating of this Forum. >>> >>> He is a Factionalist, finish and klaar! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 12/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*wrote: >>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: COPE 'Mbeki's idea' >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:20 PM >>> >>> >>> I have always suspected that Dominic is a fan of factional politics, you >>> see even the way he has responded to a lot of articles and issues that >>> were raised aginst some comrades, that he and his cabal do not support. >>> >>> He did not attach any artile relating to suspicions or allegaions of >>> cde.balde being a memeber of the IFP. I am not saying he was, I do not >>> know, only Blade knows his history. >>> >>> Cde. TM is not treated with the respect he deserves as a former leader >>> in >>> the liberation movement, but he is treated as a traitor and enemy of the >>> NDR. It is a pity that the same person is the one who even manages this >>> forum and can easily 'purge' or remove those he does not agree with >>> their >>> views. >>> >>> He has also shown this by his response on the suspension of the SACP >>> cdes >>> in Gauteng by the CC. According to him, it is ok that they are suspended >>> because Zico wanted to deal with him at branch level somewhere, so Zico >>> has met his matches, in Cde. Blade and others. I think teh comrade must >>> not lead this forum with his intolerant attitude that has engulfed our >>> movement, but at least allow freedom of expression and debates. >>> >>> Hope no purging to follow this mail. >>> >>> > Dear Comrade Domza >>> > You see some times you leave me no chioce but to question your motives >>> on >>> > this forum...take for instince the reason why you posted this >>> particular >>> > article on this forum? this it to further sub-divide cadres into camps >>> and >>> > Further ,is because you feel this shabby piece of Journalism deserves >>> the >>> > attention and critical analysis of cadre who subscribe to this forum >>> or is >>> > it because you yourself without even being conscious of it have fallen >>> > victim to the demon of cabbalism?I mean why else would you even >>> consider >>> > distrabuting this worthless piece of information. >>> > >>> > Comrade TM might be or might not be the master mind COPE That still >>> > remeans to seen but by posting this article on this forum you not only >>> > give credit to the Witch haunting exercise perpetuated by same among >>> us >>> > but imply the Mbeki is no longer one of us and therefore does not >>> derserve >>> > our protectation and defending.Every cadre knows that comrade Mbeki >>> has >>> > had his fair share of limitations but to devoirce a cadre form a >>> movement >>> > he so cliams he loves.if feel is a bit too much. Let history judge >>> this >>> > cadre let it tell a story about his conduct and behivour. >>> > >>> > All am saying is let not act as if Mbeki is or was a president of the >>> PAC >>> > or some opposition party. until he himself or there is clear advice >>> that >>> > proof another wise. 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