The diatribe directed at Domza as a person and in his capacity as the
Forum Administrator is unwarranted and distasteful. This is not to argue
that he is beyond reproach.
Domza has been very generous and fair in handling forum matters. He has
previously allowed various controversial and misconceived
articles/opinions to pass through including very distasteful ones i.e.
writings that were tantamount to personal attacks to the integrity of
the ANCYL President, current ANC leadership and so forth. Some former
comrades even used this forum to demonise the Liberation Movement and
then resign.
Domza has a right to post articles in this forum like all of us.
Comrades and former comrades are at liberty to delete whatever articles
they do not like.
Let us allow convergence and divergence of views and not allege foul
play!
Hands off our Domza!
Phumlani Dlamini
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of thando tshangela
Sent: 09 December 2008 10:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: COPE 'Mbeki's idea'
Comrades it is true that we must not accuse Cde Dominic of
factionalism for posting this article. We must discuss such articles
by journalists.
But I want to address the issue of Dominic and how he runs the forum.
In my opinion Cde Domza is not fair as an administartor. He lambasts
people whose opinions he disagrees with. That's why I find it
difficult at times to debate and raise controversial issues in this
forum.
Further, I'm tempted to agree that if you raise issues 'that he and
his cabal do not support' (Botipe supra) you will suffer his wrath.
Hence I find the forum not a vehicle for freedom of expression but a
means to perpetuate certain views while deliberately attacking those
of others.
The allegations against Blade were supposed to be open for discussion
and investigated by a commission so as to hear both sides of the
story. But I guess the issue is closed even before the person alleging
was asked to adduce any proof and the person against whom the
allegations were made could rebut such allegations.
2008/12/9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Maxabane, you are really loosing it. We have always insisted that as
> Communist, we should at all times engage in substance than
personalties,
> what you are doing is a clear charecter assasination on Domza without
> engaging with the issues raised. The issue here is about the attitude
and
> influence of the former Anc President Cde TM on Cope, let us not
reduce
> the debate on who raised it or how it was raised, but rather pay
attention
> on the question of whether cde Tm is involved in anyway with cope or
not.
>
> Cadres I am astonished by your loud call for unity and uprooting of
> factionalism while on the hand you are adavancing disunity and
> factionalism.The manner in which you attack domza is unwarranted, if
you
> have concernes about the way the forum is managed, raise the issue as
a
> matter of principle rather than escalating it as a crisis of
> factionalism.Lennin warned of these kind of tendencies in 1914, when
he
> wrote on "Disruption of unity under cover of outcries for unity" . I
> appeal to comarades to debate the issue of Tm and his possible
involvement
> in Cope without emotions. Comrades should advance political reasons
why we
> cannot discuss Cde Tm in relation to the new political trends and
> realities, after all he was Anc President and is current Ex-officio at
all
> National Structures. The fact Comarades is that Cde TM still remains a
> public fiqure respected by millions of people bcuz of his association
with
> the Anc, it is logical and reasonable therefore to expect him to
defend
> the Anc and articulates its relavence given the current situation. His
> silence on this major political developments is logically suspecious
and
> potentially dangerous. The other reality is that Cde Tm contunues at
least
> we are sure at the personal level interact with almost all these Cope
> leaders, to us those people are traitors and counter-Revolutionary, we
> fail to understand why our former President still keep them as
associates.
> Comrades should respond to these matters without resorting to attacks,
> help us comrades, we need to know the role of Cde TM on this Cope
thing,
> attacking and valifying domza will not respond to this important
question.
>
> Cde Kgopelo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Dear Comrades,
>>
>> It looks like this was an article from the newspaper, maybe Moffet
>> Mofokeng
>> is a factionalist, not Domza. Comrades, let me remind you here that
you
>> posted the Anele Mda interview in this forum, when others complained,
you
>> defended the comrades who had posted Anele's interview that was
dealing
>> with
>> the President of the ANCYL.
>>
>> I appeal to you to leave Domza alone, he is doing an excellent job.
In a
>> letter written by Thabo Mbeki to President Jacob Zuma he complained
about
>> he
>> called cult leadership, and I suspect that the comrades that are
>> demonising
>> Domza are suffering from worshipping Thabo Mbeki finish and klaar!
>>
>> Hands off our Domza!
>>
>> Comradely,
>>
>> Cedric Gina.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:05 AM, kagiso nkhoma
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I totally agree with Comrades about Domsa's indigestable attitude
and
>>> operating of this Forum.
>>>
>>> He is a Factionalist, finish and klaar!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 12/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*wrote:
>>>
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: COPE 'Mbeki's idea'
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Cc: [email protected]
>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:20 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> I have always suspected that Dominic is a fan of factional politics,
you
>>> see even the way he has responded to a lot of articles and issues
that
>>> were raised aginst some comrades, that he and his cabal do not
support.
>>>
>>> He did not attach any artile relating to suspicions or allegaions of
>>> cde.balde being a memeber of the IFP. I am not saying he was, I do
not
>>> know, only Blade knows his history.
>>>
>>> Cde. TM is not treated with the respect he deserves as a former
leader
>>> in
>>> the liberation movement, but he is treated as a traitor and enemy of
the
>>> NDR. It is a pity that the same person is the one who even manages
this
>>> forum and can easily 'purge' or remove those he does not agree with
>>> their
>>> views.
>>>
>>> He has also shown this by his response on the suspension of the SACP
>>> cdes
>>> in Gauteng by the CC. According to him, it is ok that they are
suspended
>>> because Zico wanted to deal with him at branch level somewhere, so
Zico
>>> has met his matches, in Cde. Blade and others. I think teh comrade
must
>>> not lead this forum with his intolerant attitude that has engulfed
our
>>> movement, but at least allow freedom of expression and debates.
>>>
>>> Hope no purging to follow this mail.
>>>
>>> > Dear Comrade Domza
>>> > You see some times you leave me no chioce but to question your
motives
>>> on
>>> > this forum...take for instince the reason why you posted this
>>> particular
>>> > article on this forum? this it to further sub-divide cadres into
camps
>>> and
>>> > Further ,is because you feel this shabby piece of Journalism
deserves
>>> the
>>> > attention and critical analysis of cadre who subscribe to this
forum
>>> or is
>>> > it because you yourself without even being conscious of it have
fallen
>>> > victim to the demon of cabbalism?I mean why else would you even
>>> consider
>>> > distrabuting this worthless piece of information.
>>> >
>>> > Comrade TM might be or might not be the master mind COPE That
still
>>> > remeans to seen but by posting this article on this forum you not
only
>>> > give credit to the Witch haunting exercise perpetuated by same
among
>>> us
>>> > but imply the Mbeki is no longer one of us and therefore does not
>>> derserve
>>> > our protectation and defending.Every cadre knows that comrade
Mbeki
>>> has
>>> > had his fair share of limitations but to devoirce a cadre form a
>>> movement
>>> > he so cliams he loves.if feel is a bit too much. Let history judge
>>> this
>>> > cadre let it tell a story about his conduct and behivour.
>>> >
>>> > All am saying is let not act as if Mbeki is or was a president of
the
>>> PAC
>>> > or some opposition party. until he himself or there is clear
advice
>>> that
>>> > proof another wise. Let us treat him like any other cadre of the
>>> movement,
>>> > nothing less nothing more!
>>> >
>>> > Matimba
>>> >
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