I must say that during the term of the then President David SASCO had lost its true soul of defending tertiary students rights to better education. He was functioning with dead provinces only few where in good standing. Senzo you know is the fact that Gauteng province and other many provinces where not in good standing, including your own region (Tshwane) that you where non functional. Instead he concentrated on institutions that where striking and come and go behind the branches to talk to management as he was chased away from many universities for this behaviour. There was no programme of action in many provinces including the NEC it self had none. As the president of the organisation we accept that he guard the constitution and its POA to fulfil the mandate given to the organisation by branches. I must say his term was full of torture for those who where disagreeing with his style of leadership by then, and those who supported him initially but had to distance themselves from his style. It is with principle that we not attacking a men but his actions Cdes try to do that but he will be personal. SASCO was just nothing but a personal phone of David and when he felt like he will issue instructions for particular structure to be dispended on a phone, now that's pathetic. This is not about Polokwane but about a particular epoch where the soul of our beloved movement was restored. Its about advancing the next level of the NDR which Cde TM claimed we are still far while millions where suffering and the was a growing evidence of Capitalist tendencies. In EC last year SASCO was claimed back to its rightful position that of student interest vanguard. the then NEC was totally rejected by branches and they even fail to continue with the congress after they lost the top five positions.
Regards, Mzukisi Makhetha University of Johannesburg ________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of senzo ncongolo [[email protected]] Sent: 27 January 2009 07:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Closing the debate on the "Young Communist" Mr Nkwanyana or do I? IS this about who won and lost at Polokwane????? very pathetic!!!!! find a better thing to do.leave David Mimela out of this debate because he has lead and very well for that matter. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Sobza <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: There is a saying that says "nemo iudex in propria causa" ( no one can judge his cause). David Maimela or SASCO member ( his pseudo name) cannot sustain his unguided anger when a senior Leader of the PYA like Khaye Nkwanyana raises issues about SASCO during his time and the predecessor Leadership ( the class of 2005). He cannot judge his cause for he cannot be objective on it rather he must allow others who were observing, no less our PYA leadership, to ventilate their views no matter pricking like a thorn they may be. At one point Maimela had a debate in one of the SABC station where Zizi Kodwa and Khaye Nkwanyana were also guest representing the PYA the disrespect, arrogance and sheer cocky as the debate was about the views of Terror Lekota against Zuma few weeks towards Polokwane conference cannot be compared with what he is claiming now as a wrong approach of speaking in public about other PYA component. Those were not views of SASCO membership as he was defending Lekota. these comrades were so sure of the victory in Polokwane! the best way to go forward, opening a new page can alway be to accept that they were on the wrong. Khaye Nkwanyana is a leader, a leader does not confine himself or herself in a funeral to mere mourning and dry rembrance of a cadre. a funeral of a comrade becomes a political funeral! if a comrade from SASCO is less so expose to these ( may be this was a first funeral for him of a comrade). I am qualified to speak of this because I was there in the funeral and know the context within which the Deputy National Secretary of the YCL came from, and I agree with him. this is a disadvantage to many comrades as they were not there and are subjected to the distorted, subjective tantrums of an individual tainted as he was there, and was introduced from amongst us the congregates. Lets make a call here that for this debate to proceed correctly, that the YCL publish this speech in the bottomline tomorrow so that everyone can see objectively beyond wild crazy anger. even to degenerate to a level of calling our leadership strange communists if you are angry. it tells a lot about maturity of an individual. again Nkwanyana cannot be summoned to the discussion forum to respond to tantrums, anyway, he does not run of platforms as you might be aware. lets call for the original paper to the formal bottomline or SASCO website then lets engage to expose this cadre. Sobza. On Jan 27, 4:16 pm, sasco member <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Comrades > > I have followed your debate/viewpoints/responses on the matter I have raised > about the deceitful conduct of Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" very > closely. This is what I have found: > > It is strange that whereas I'm accused of playing the man/person not the > ball; Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" is not accused of the same sin. > > It is strange that when I decide to stoop to the level of Mr Nkwanyana (in > order to discuss at his level) I get vilified and called names. > > It is strange that whereas I choose to remain a "SASCO member" (in order to > avoid personalisation of issues) I get vilified. The challenge of focusing > on the person and not the issues; is a broader challenge of the progressive > movement. It stems out of low levels of ideological work. One good example > is the editorial in the African Communist "Post-Polokwane" issue. Another > would be a situation where Mandela would be blamed for selling out the > country at a crucial time of negotiations. There are many of these examples. > > I would be the first one to protect and defend Nkwanyana if he had joined > the movement last month. But his experience an involvement in the movement > disqualifies him from insulting people in the manner that he did at the > funeral. *Uvele wadelela nje*...Thats how best one can describe the conduct > of Nkwanyana. And the painful thing is that he knows this; that indeed he > was reckless. If Nkwanyana wanted to *raise genuinely* those issues or > rather lies he has many platforms in which to do so but instead he chose the > funeral deliberately. > > You see, each time a leader of an organisation speaks in public, those > listening must either embrace the message or be willing to join. In other > words when a leader speaks in public, the audience must say in their minds: > *"This is light, this is leadership, we identify with this person, we can do > what he says we must do, we see ourselves in him or we want to be like him, > we can even join his organisation"*. But Mr Nkwanyana the Young > Communist failed to achieve this. He did not understand the task that comes > with being in leadership at that point in time, I want to argue. And these > are basics of leadership by the way. > > One feels justified to punish Mr Nkwanyana and his strange conduct as a > "Young Communist" through public reprimand which is normally allowed in the > movement. In fact to shame him in public would be a lesser punishment by > standards of the era of struggle for liberation. > > In my writting in this forum. I was dirrectly calling upon Mr Nkwanyana the > "Young Communist" to replace the lies with the truth. I was giving him a > chance to respond and I'm still hopefully waiting. I'm so democratic to an > extent that I want him to dismiss me as a liar too but before he can say I > misrepresent him he must also agree or disagree on whether he truly believes > in his lies about the previous leadership collectives of SASCO. So he must > prove two things simalteneously. I say this because; in my tongue-lashing of > him, I have said; would it it be helpful fo him to tell lies in order to > prove his hatred for the previous leadership collectives of SASCO? I have > said in essence, that he need not tell lies (vague lies for that matter) to > prove his point he must just like a grounded budding young communist stick > to scientific approaches when debating or raising matters. He must produce > facts not fiction. Even at this point I want Mr Nkwanyana or those who > defend his strange conduct to support with clear evidence his allegations. > Or is it a conspiracy? > > So I would think I'm reasonable enough to come to this forum where there > could be a free exchange of ideas, and ask Mr Nkwanyana to state his case so > that we may all respond whether or not one supports this leadership or the > other is neither here nor there. The central issue is whether one can > produce evidence to back up his claims. Do we as members of SASCO want > people to rewrite the history of SASCO in a distorted fashion? I think not. > It would be shameful for members to keep quiet when lies are told about > things that we all know. > > If I degenerate the discussion I apologise but I found it at this level as > well...Mr Nkwanyana started the debate at this level at the funeral. And ran > away without response from anyone. > > And in anyway in Marxist terms there is nothing wrong with discussing the > "subjective" as long as we discuss the dialectical link it has with the > objective. In this case, Mr Nkwanyana who is subject of the discussion, > tried to convince us about objective factors: the history of SASCO. And in > this instance he tried with hude failure; to misrepresent the objective > truth. His allegations were themself subjective and narrow with an intention > to divide I insist! > > I want to agree with Herman Vilakazi when he says quite correctly and > vividly: > > *"The main issue at hand is whether all previous SASCO leadership > collectives since the 6th of September 1991 to the Mthatha Conference did > not serve SASCO well? It does not matter whether the toothless sasco member > is true or whether Khaye raised such issues but the issue is before us to > discuss. > > What yardstic can we use to determine the performance of previous sasco > membership. Will the congress resolutions juxtaposed with the organizational > and political reports in the following conference be enough to determine > perfomance? Were we in SASCO between 1991 and 2000 to such an extent that we > can talk about the behaviour of the leadership then?"* > So according to Vilakazi with whom I agree, it does not matter what I or > Nkwanyana says, what matters and what we should focus on is the search for > the truth as is. Now that will require a little research about the history > of SASCO in the recent past. There is no short cut...In pursuit of truth > facts cant be compromised. No matter how ugle they may seem. So Mr Nkwanyana > the "Young Communist" who should act scientifically at all times, must just > like me a non-communist seek to speak about facts not fiction. > > Again I agree with Vilakazi, we must answer the question is to wether there > is space for engagement and we must answer this question honestly and > truthfully. When Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" behaves the strange way > that he does, does he encourage free engagement? > > So at the end of the day we must return to what I see as a profounf question > of the day: *when do lies become truth? Is it when one intends to deceive?* > ** > *I await for a proper debate too...I wait for Mr Nkwanyana to give me facts > to debate with.* > ** > *I remain SASCO Member (Its about the issues not the person)* > > * > * ________________________________ This email and all contents are subject to the following disclaimer: http://www.uj.ac.za/UJ_email_legal_disclaimer.htm --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . 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