Comrade Mduduzi Vilakazi raises the point that is not discussed about Thabo Mbeki. He needs to understand that Thabo Mbeki was elected by the ANC as its president and deployed in government as both the Executive Deputy President and President of the Republic respectively, however that does not make him bigger than the African National Congress or elevates him above the movement. It is plain truth that any member of the ANC deployed into government by the ANC, remains accountable to the organisation and not the opposite. It is noteworthy therefore that Mr. Thabo Mbeki had faltered in his time as president of the Republic of South Africa. It is also true that part of his legacy includes collective achievements of the ANC both in government and outside of it. Comrade Mduduzi is correct though if I have read him correctly to imply that there are good things that the ANC, through its deployees in government had achieved, but also that there are those things that were done by Thabo Mbeki that the ANC itself had disgareed with. Perhaps we are all selective in articulating our facts about people and their achievements but I wish comrade Mdu could remember that it was the former president of the Republic of South Africa who on the basis on insinuations of the so called generally corrupt relationship between Shabir Shaik and Jacob Zuma had released or fired Jacob Zuma from his posistion of Deputy President of South Africa, and who refused after the National General Council to follow its advise to reinstate Jacob Zuma. Moketedi Mpshe mentioned that there was nothing they had found that links Thabo Mbeki to the interference in the Jacob Zuma case and we all heard him, but we have also read parts of the transcripts where Mbeki had been in consultation with the former director of the Directorate for Special Operations (Scorpions) whereby the former had said that the latter must choose whether to call him president or former president. There is reference to conversations where the former Director for Special Operations had been conversing with the former Minister of Justice and Constitutional Development and later the former president where a meeting was apparently scheduled. If we all believe in the rule of law and apply it consistently, it must be noted that there is reference to a certain number and big man (not that it is Thabo Mbeki) who still needs to be named. Jacob Zuma did not retire from politics after his axing as Deputy President of the ANC despite him not having been proven guilty of any wrongdoing in a court of law yet he continued to serve with passion as the Deputy President of our glorious movement. He even subjected himself to processes of healing the so called rifts between him and Thabo Mbeki. The latter was contested in a democratic electoral process in Polokwane after which he ceased to participate in the programmes of the ANC, but also declared that he had retired from politics. This was later to be followed by declarations that he remained a disciplined members of the African National Congress despite him refusing to tow the organisational line. The point some of us are raising which comrade Mduduzi is unfortunately ommitting or avoiding is that there is COPE and all the former ANC members who are prominent in that organisation left the ANC because of the recalling of Thabo Mbeki. Throughout all the time that this little baby COPE has existed there is no evidence whatsoever that Thabo Mbeki had made attempts to clarify them about internal democracy in the ANC. He allowed them to first try and defend him from the ANC when they declared him a victim, but later used his good name as a reason for leaving the African National Congress. All we are saying is that Thabo Mbeki must come out and openly declare what his political status in and advise the nation as to why he should not be considered to be a member of COPE in the background. Comrade Mdu may agree that this is the simplest of tasks considering the intelligence and wisdom Thabo Mbeki commands in society. The biggest mistake comrade Mdu is committing is that of thinking and attaching the government's achievements to an individual whereas such an individual was part of a collective core deployed by the African National Congress in parliament. He attended meetings of the National Executive Committee of the ANC and discussed with other members strategies and issues pertaining to governance of the Republic yet comrade Mduduzi continues to elevate him above the organisation that deployed him and to which he accounted, and when he started not listening it was the same organisation that recalled him from the position of the president. On Comrade Fikile Mbalula, comrade Mduduzi must recall that the ANCYL had always raised issues about and against some of the decisions of the presidency and cabinet and called for the matters to be discussed in the ANC. It is certailny not asking too much to request that Thabo Mbeki clarifies his role in the JZ saga, after all he was the one who started the onslaught by dismissing him from his government when he was never found gulity of any wrongdoing. It is also befitting for any citizen to exercise their rights of association and declare such association to the public especially when there are doubts in the nation about its former president's membership of any political organisation. I still remain convinced that Thabo Mbeki should come out clear, and do it now!!!! I also pause!!!!!!!
Paul Mbhele 0824653810 --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Mbeki a leader by distinction!! To: "Kaizer Mohau" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 4:48 PM As President Mbeki has requested on the 09th of April 2009 that anyone with evidence of his political inteference should produce such to law enforcement agencies, please do so if you have such evidence. You are but walloping and not giving details of his involvement in the issues. His relation with Mbalula when they were both presidents of the ANC and ANCYL respectively cannot be summarised by the fabrications in the Mbalula letter. Part of the document read to us by the acting NDPP when pronouncing that he could not proceed with the cases on Msholozi clarifies that there is no information or whatsoever that implicates president Mbeki on the issues. What you wrote is equivalent to the rejection of the ANC manifesto. Most of the facts in the manifesto are the same as those reported by president Mbeki in Polokwane. You and Mbalula cannot mislead us by ignoring the good things that the Mbeki administration did for the country. I fully agree that he like all human beings made mistakes during his leaderrship but you must tell me who of all the good leaders of the ANC was never mentioned as a sellout. They were labelled so because leadership is not writing letters but providing solutions to problems. While doing so, some decisions will be highly unpopular. As president Julius Malema has said, the ANC owns all the good and the bad things that the Mbeki administration made. President Malema further acknowledged the mistakes that president Mbeki might have caused and pleaded for the forgiveness of such mistakes. The ANC is an organisation that will never abandon its members, why such a campaign on president Mbeki. However, president Mbeki's good stewardship can not be forgotten because of political sentiments and fabrications without proof. I want to challenge anyone in this forum to dispute that most of the things that the ANC are proud of were achieved during the 14 and a half years of Mbeki occupancy in the office of the presidency both as the only executive deputy president and subsequently president of the country. Why do you and Mbalula owns the achievements and dismiss the mistakes that came with democracy. We are tired of discrediting president Mbeki's legacy and fabricating lies about him. I stand firm to be villified by those who hold a contrary view, but if you have evidence of wrong doing by president Mbeki, furnish such to law enforcement agencies. I pause!!! >>> Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> 4/15/2009 11:20 AM >>> LET US NOT LOSE FOCUS – QUENCIQUENCIES ARE HUGE IF WE DO The open letter to former President of the ANC and the country Thabo Mbeki, by Cde Fikile Mbalula a member of the National Executive Committee of the African National Congress came at a time when as members of the ANC we needed political direction as to how on earth are we to deal with the repercussions resulting from the National Prosecuting Authority’s decision to withdraw charges against the President of the ANC and soon the country. This does not in any way suggests that the NPA provided us with a political dilemma in this regard neither does the NPA represents an institution that we could trust anytime soon. But this is precisely because the NPA vindicated us as members of the ANC – and cadres of this ANC led revolutionary movement. We have long before the NPA could be sober, argued that there is no case to be answered by the President of the ANC Cde Jacob Zuma – When in a COSATU conference a song was composed asking Bulelani Ngcuka as to what is it that Cde Jacob Zuma has done? It was against this background. Because Ngcuka was controlling the Scorpions we had to ask him this question – to our disappointment no answer came forth except an intensified offensive on the persona of Cde Jacob Zuma by the media, the Presidency of the country, certain members of the National Executive Committee of the ANC during Thabo Mbeki’s leadership, opposition parties and last and not least the so-called intellectuals and their ideological sidekicks masquerading as political analysists. It is impossible to think of Bulelani Ngcuka and his Co. operating without instructions from somewhere, in our mind there was no doubt that a powerful hand was behind these shenanigans. We knew that the President of the ANC and the country by then knew about what was happening – as such we were and we are still of the view that Thabo Mbeki was either responsible for these actions or gave blessings to those in the forefront. So the decision by the NPA came as no surprise in terms of its content and not the political form these issues took prior and after the decision was made, what was our concern was when the NPA will be sober and take this long awaited decision. The former President dismissed a number of important leads into the so-called conspiracy – amongst those is the main issue of the existence of a concerted and calculated plot to undermine in the eyes of the public the image, character and political leadership of Cde Jacob Zuma. When the issue of the Browse Mole report came to the public domain – which was nothing except another briefing notes aimed at dealing negatively so with the leadership of the entire movement including the Alliance leaders, Thabo Mbeki dismissed it as another work of counter revolutionary elements, something Thabo Mbeki is well known for during his term of office – including his “Extra ordinary arrogance which leads to total disrespect and disregard for the leadership of our movement and the movement itself. Perhaps the million Rand question in terms of the current debate of what is to be done, following the NPA decision as it is unfolding and taking a centre stage in how political parties are contesting our votes, should be located and subjected to internal democratic process of the ANC. It is my humble view that as of now we need to cool our heads and our minds by applying the very attitude demonstrated by the President of the ANC Cde Jacob Zuma of desisting from being judgemental lest we fall into the political trap set by the opposition with the intention to ensure we lose focus of the most important task of today, that of ensuring more than two/thirds majority in the coming elections. As to what happens to those who have wounded the movement overtime considering the profusely bleeding ANC – as a result of Thabo Mbeki’s style of leadership – I think we should let the structures of the ANC – in the coming National General Council to decide on the course of action to be undertaken by the ANC as part of the process of healing itself. We should avoid making judgements at this stage – whether we forgive or we call for the conspirators to face the firing squad – should be a subject for the ANC structures – in a process that will satisfy all of us. People should use as expected internal processes of the ANC to lobby for their positions in this regard – it must be noted that Thabo Mbeki cannot be treated – in the manner that will eventually undermine the internal and organisational discipline of the ANC. Besides our treatment of Thabo Mbeki as a puppet master who was the only one behind the plot will not assist us – a holistic approach to these issues will go a long way in sustaining, concretising and maintaining the unity and cohesion of our movement. I think all of us should agree that our movement has been seriously wounded, we should further agree with Cde Fikile Mbalula that Thabo Mbeki’s indifference in relation to the current political conjecture and particularly the fact that whether he remains a cadre of the ANC or not are issues we should never dismiss out rightly, but at the same time we should not create an impression that the ANC will never survive an existence without him. 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