Mbeki a leader by distinction? Comrade Mdu, i understand and respect your views on evidence bieng brought forward; but lets always remember the ANC is a democratic political organisation. in short i want to refer you to the deep seeded division which were there in the ANC when President Xuma (who like mbeki had done wonders for the ANC and built it organisationaly). When Xuma started distencing himself from the ANC and later joined by others like Selope Thema they first formed a breakaway with in the ANC. The then Secretary, Cde Sisulu said that later they were to learn that some of Xuma's concerns were in particular about President Moroka were very correct; but the manner they went by it not only undermined organisational unity but it also spat at the core of democratic centrelism (again pls remember that the ANC is a democratic political organisation)!
Know i am sure u are finding it hard to get the relevance of the above small history; well its simple when Xuma was chucked out of the NEC and later Selope Thema expelled; they then used the opportunity to use the then only pro African journal, the Buntu..., to discredit the ANC and said that bullyboy tendencies and balckmail politics of the ANCYL was what drove them away, and that the ANCYL was not respecting its elders ect ect. Now history is good coz we can now do some situational analysis and ask is Thabo Mbeki our Xuma? does TM belive that Zuma (when pushed and coz he knows him so well, will not be able to lead the ANC)is our Moroka.? has the ANCYL (Mbalula NEC) made the same mistakes on Zuma as the ANCY (Mandela NEC) did on Xuma? Will Zuma be our Luthuli? Manier times i have said on this forums and other forums what my responses are to the above questions. perhaps you need to ask your self these questions give us ansewrs! notwithsanding Cope's recent calls off giving TM presents on Sunday and inviting him to thier rally, and thier TM posters!! Also remember that like Xuma TM is more than welcome to attend any functions of the ANC and in particular NEC meetings as this is his constitutional right. lastly in my view TM should do like Xuma go the NEC and speak his mind and leave with the consequences! History has not judged the outcomes of polokwane yet!! Pls respond chief! > As President Mbeki has requested on the 09th of April 2009 that anyone > with evidence of his political inteference should produce such to law > enforcement agencies, please do so if you have such evidence. > > You are but walloping and not giving details of his involvement in the > issues. His relation with Mbalula when they were both presidents of the > ANC and ANCYL respectively cannot be summarised by the fabrications in > the Mbalula letter. > > Part of the document read to us by the acting NDPP when pronouncing > that he could not proceed with the cases on Msholozi clarifies that > there is no information or whatsoever that implicates president Mbeki on > the issues. > > What you wrote is equivalent to the rejection of the ANC manifesto. > Most of the facts in the manifesto are the same as those reported by > president Mbeki in Polokwane. You and Mbalula cannot mislead us by > ignoring the good things that the Mbeki administration did for the > country. > > I fully agree that he like all human beings made mistakes during his > leaderrship but you must tell me who of all the good leaders of the ANC > was never mentioned as a sellout. They were labelled so because > leadership is not writing letters but providing solutions to problems. > While doing so, some decisions will be highly unpopular. > > As president Julius Malema has said, the ANC owns all the good and the > bad things that the Mbeki administration made. President Malema further > acknowledged the mistakes that president Mbeki might have caused and > pleaded for the forgiveness of such mistakes. > > The ANC is an organisation that will never abandon its members, why > such a campaign on president Mbeki. However, president Mbeki's good > stewardship can not be forgotten because of political sentiments and > fabrications without proof. > > I want to challenge anyone in this forum to dispute that most of the > things that the ANC are proud of were achieved during the 14 and a half > years of Mbeki occupancy in the office of the presidency both as the > only executive deputy president and subsequently president of the > country. Why do you and Mbalula owns the achievements and dismiss the > mistakes that came with democracy. > > We are tired of discrediting president Mbeki's legacy and fabricating > lies about him. I stand firm to be villified by those who hold a > contrary view, but if you have evidence of wrong doing by president > Mbeki, furnish such to law enforcement agencies. > > I pause!!! > > >>>> Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> 4/15/2009 11:20 AM >>> > > LET US NOT LOSE FOCUS – QUENCIQUENCIES ARE HUGE IF WE DO > > The open letter to former President of the ANC and the country Thabo > Mbeki, by Cde Fikile Mbalula a member of the National Executive > Committee of the African National Congress came at a time when as > members of the ANC we needed political direction as to how on earth > are we to deal with the repercussions resulting from the National > Prosecuting Authority’s decision to withdraw charges against the > President of the ANC and soon the country. > > This does not in any way suggests that the NPA provided us with a > political dilemma in this regard neither does the NPA represents an > institution that we could trust anytime soon. But this is precisely > because the NPA vindicated us as members of the ANC – and cadres of > this ANC led revolutionary movement. > > We have long before the NPA could be sober, argued that there is no > case to be answered by the President of the ANC Cde Jacob Zuma – When > in a COSATU conference a song was composed asking Bulelani Ngcuka as > to what is it that Cde Jacob Zuma has done? It was against this > background. > > Because Ngcuka was controlling the Scorpions we had to ask him this > question – to our disappointment no answer came forth except an > intensified offensive on the persona of Cde Jacob Zuma by the media, > the Presidency of the country, certain members of the National > Executive Committee of the ANC during Thabo Mbeki’s leadership, > opposition parties and last and not least the so-called intellectuals > and their ideological sidekicks masquerading as political analysists. > > It is impossible to think of Bulelani Ngcuka and his Co. operating > without instructions from somewhere, in our mind there was no doubt > that a powerful hand was behind these shenanigans. We knew that the > President of the ANC and the country by then knew about what was > happening – as such we were and we are still of the view that Thabo > Mbeki was either responsible for these actions or gave blessings to > those in the forefront. > > So the decision by the NPA came as no surprise in terms of its content > and not the political form these issues took prior and after the > decision was made, what was our concern was when the NPA will be sober > and take this long awaited decision. > > The former President dismissed a number of important leads into the > so-called conspiracy – amongst those is the main issue of the > existence of a concerted and calculated plot to undermine in the eyes > of the public the image, character and political leadership of Cde > Jacob Zuma. When the issue of the Browse Mole report came to the > public domain – which was nothing except another briefing notes aimed > at dealing negatively so with the leadership of the entire movement > including the Alliance leaders, Thabo Mbeki dismissed it as another > work of counter revolutionary elements, something Thabo Mbeki is well > known for during his term of office – including his “Extra ordinary > arrogance which leads to total disrespect and disregard for the > leadership of our movement and the movement itself. > > > Perhaps the million Rand question in terms of the current debate of > what is to be done, following the NPA decision as it is unfolding and > taking a centre stage in how political parties are contesting our > votes, should be located and subjected to internal democratic process > of the ANC. It is my humble view that as of now we need to cool our > heads and our minds by applying the very attitude demonstrated by the > President of the ANC Cde Jacob Zuma of desisting from being > judgemental lest we fall into the political trap set by the opposition > with the intention to ensure we lose focus of the most important task > of today, that of ensuring more than two/thirds majority in the coming > elections. > > As to what happens to those who have wounded the movement overtime > considering the profusely bleeding ANC – as a result of Thabo Mbeki’s > style of leadership – I think we should let the structures of the ANC > – in the coming National General Council to decide on the course of > action to be undertaken by the ANC as part of the process of healing > itself. > > We should avoid making judgements at this stage – whether we forgive > or we call for the conspirators to face the firing squad – should be a > subject for the ANC structures – in a process that will satisfy all of > us. > > People should use as expected internal processes of the ANC to lobby > for their positions in this regard – it must be noted that Thabo Mbeki > cannot be treated – in the manner that will eventually undermine the > internal and organisational discipline of the ANC. > > Besides our treatment of Thabo Mbeki as a puppet master who was the > only one behind the plot will not assist us – a holistic approach to > these issues will go a long way in sustaining, concretising and > maintaining the unity and cohesion of our movement. > > I think all of us should agree that our movement has been seriously > wounded, we should further agree with Cde Fikile Mbalula that Thabo > Mbeki’s indifference in relation to the current political conjecture > and particularly the fact that whether he remains a cadre of the ANC > or not are issues we should never dismiss out rightly, but at the same > time we should not create an impression that the ANC will never > survive an existence without him. > > By: Kaizer Mohau > Potchefstroom > North West Province > Mobile: 072 080 2824 > > > Writing in his total personal capacity > > > > This message and any attachments relating to official business of the > Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG) is proprietary to the MPG and > intended for the original addressee only. > The message may contain information that is confidential and subject to > legal privilege. 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