I fully agree, COSATU leadership seems to lack a sense of occasion. I do not want to dwell on personalities but the alliance needs to have its house in order. You cannot have a situation where the president delivers the state of the nation outlining government priorities for the year and then the alliance partner go on a tangent to engage all and sundry with the ANC succession debate. It's common knowledge that this debate belongs to the ANC branches not anywhere in the domain of COSATU. I have no idea why even YCL bothered to support the call. There is nothing wrong with it but simply misplaced. What everyone (workers) wants to know is how will COSATU ensure that the ANC delivers on the election manifesto not the president's term of office. Same is how the SACP will ensure that government sufficiently prioritise the plight of the working class people in its endevour to deliver on a better life for all. Those are key issues at this juncture, let alone the current spate of recession. In a nutshell, YCL should be spearheading these issues, more especially the mammoth task given to the Youth Development Agency - so that we do not see another youth commission in a different shape and form. The face of the struggle has changed. Youth are unemployed, some resort to crime and prostitution. Schooling is not compulsory - learners are allowed by to loiter on the streets during school hours and get exposed all sorts of things such as drugs, alcohol, teenage pregnacies and HIV/AIDS. The greatest challenge facing us maqabane is to pay special attention to these problems, including student issues in general - both academic and financial exclusions. To this end, there is a growing expectation on the part of the students in SA that the progressive youth alliance will champion their interests as a bloc having a leverage to engage the ministry of higher education. Unisa and VUT crises are cases in point. What is happening there is very common and this has been a recurring problem for 14 years due to lack of political will. It's time refocus and consolidate issues pertaining to pro-poor education policy, as espoused in the Freedom Charter. However, if we start distracting ourselves with trivial issues will lose the battle on governance and transition to free education. In the eyes of the public, PYA is just a bunch of kingmakers who bear no relation to realities of its constituency. This perception must be is very powerful as it can Let's revisit our role in society as a whole and desist from being cannon fodders who have no issues to put on the national discourse. Let's engage and propose corrective action mechanisms rather than deflecting attention to JZ's second term. Cde JZ's term of office may end - it will be immaterial whether is one term or two terms - but what would be materially faulty is to discover that nothing substantial was achieved by the youth movement during this period. Who would be blamed? I trust you all know the answer. Let's engage in the spirit of comradeship to make our youth month worthwhile! Morgan Phaahla, Ekurhuleni
"Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Tue, 6/9/09, sipho shandu <[email protected]> wrote: From: sipho shandu <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: YCLSA STATEMENT ON COSATU'S CALL FOR PRESIDENT JACOB ZUMA'S SECOND TERM To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 5:03 AM Cadres, I for one believe that we should not be having this debate as it will distract us from the righteous path of service delivery. The service delivery that we as the ANC promised our constituencies. We should however in this juncture rise above petty statements such as the ones raised by our honourable cadres Vavi and company and concerntrate on making our promises a reality! Nothing should distract or hinder us from delivering to the people the mandate of the people given to the organization of the people (ANC) by the people. If it is however decided in the future that msholozi should serve another term it will be by the voices and the will of the people and not by Vavi! thank you cadres. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Aubrey Tshabalala <[email protected]> wrote: Revolutionary Greetings Cadres Firstly let me start by saying that I do not agree with the statement made by the COSATU’s GS with regards to second term call for President Zuma. I heard that the YCL has joined the COSATU GS in this chorus. I think the president of the ANC YL has put this matter in a very abstemious way by saying that “this debate is not yet open” in fact we all aware on the process that should unfold as far as this matter is concern. It’s true that we need to influence each other in terms of views in a democratic process. However I’m equally concern by cadres who have a contrary view to that of cde Vavi and YCL, in the way the responded. I will take cde Sipho in this instance,” My question is why should they interfere in matters of the ANC? The fact we are an alliance does mean we have to meddle in each others' business!” to be honest such statements are the ones that led to a retort we’ve seen in Polokwane by the masses. An alliance in isiZulu is “umfela ndawonye” in other words a family, this means one cannot function without the other, in the same breath we have an alliance leader which is the ANC, as our revolutionary slogan is located it well “ANC lives ANC leads. However in my critical view the question/s is who is ANC? Who is COSATU? Who is SANCO? Who is COSAS/ SASCO? When posing these questions is becomes clear that you cannot annulment the formation of the alliance i.e. workers are COSATU and citizen of RSA and members of the ANC. The same argument could be said about COSAS and others. With pride I know that alliance was not formed by political drunk cronies, but by political circumstances that are further emphasised in the Morogoro Conference in 1969 in a form of national aspirations. These disciplines formation are undoubtedly traced in the document through the eye of a needle where it says “A broad national democratic movement: The ANC represents the mass of forces that pursue social transformation. Individuals belonging to different classes and strata form part of these forces, because they stand to gain from fundamental change. However, the ANC is keenly aware of the social basis of apartheid. It recognises the leading role of the working class and pays special attention to the poor” in my closure is that these address one critical aspect which is how and who does the ANC leads. The debate raise by the COSATU GS could “once more” informed by socio and political circumstance that snowed the alliance. Since ours in not a cut and dry subject but shaped and influence by debates that surfaces from time to time, and precisely for these reasons we stood the taste of time. And the for it will be a umrabulo malnutrition on our side to shoot down any debate that comes our way ending up personalising it to an extant that we attack individuals. AMANDLA! kaTshabalala From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sipho shandu Sent: 09 June 2009 09:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: YCLSA STATEMENT ON COSATU'S CALL FOR PRESIDENT JACOB ZUMA'S SECOND TERM Cadre, I should be angry when comrades like Vavi interfere in the democratic processes of the ANC. They are going to their conference and we as the ANC are not saying anything. My question is why should they interfere in matters of the ANC? The fact we are an alliance does mean we have to meddle in each others' business! Im out! On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Malgas, Nicholas <[email protected]> wrote: You are very angry comrade and that makes me worried as this is just a view which indeed should go through the structures of the ANC to decide whether he should go for a second term. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sipho shandu Sent: 09 June 2009 07:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: YCLSA STATEMENT ON COSATU'S CALL FOR PRESIDENT JACOB ZUMA'S SECOND TERM Cadre Samora and cadre Sakhile, I must however say that i am very dissapointed at cadres who think they can say whatever they want at any given point about an organisation guided by policies and principles like the ANC. When COSATU says that they want cadre Zuma to be president until 2019 they are contradicting themselves as well as the wishes of cadre ZUMA! Prior to the elections Zuma said that he would only stand for one term and thereafter make way for an incoming president of the ANC. Vavi must just get his house in order. One moment he is striking and the other moment he is speaking about a succession plan. What is he on about? What we should focus on right now is the issues of service delivery and beating the financial meltdown crisis we currently faced with. Let me pause cadres! On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:14 PM, sakhile msane <[email protected]> wrote: Well said comrade Samora I think the point you've just made is quiet clear, let us first focus on the current issues at hand such "service delivery" and based on what we see as the results then we as the masses can decide whether we re instate him back to power based on the results he has delivered during his tenure. The struggle continues, Amandla !!! Sakhile Msane On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Samora Sello<[email protected]> wrote: > Comrades, > > > > Though one fully supports this call for President Jacob Zuma to avail > himself for a second term, one wonders whether it is not premature at this > stage, when there are so many other pressing issues to impress upon him. It > would seem to me that given the newness of our current government, the work > to consolidate all the changes within government structures and the many > challenges ahead that this government will face as far as implementation is > concerned (specially in the wake of the global financial crisis), it would > be prudent to ensure and assist with the realization of the current mandate. > > > > This call should and would then made at the right stage as the would > inevitably be a need for continuity. I do believe that we need to first and > foremost protect this new dispensation and assist to portray it is one which > is about service and not “power”. I watched JZ answering this question > yesterday and felt that this call compromising the new agenda and focus on > which is implementation. it has never been about him per se but about what > he stands for which is primarily a kind of leadership that allows all voices > to be heard and consensus building not only within the alliance but the > south African society as a whole . > > > > We must work to ensure that the policy pronouncements and resolutions from > Polokwane are realized and the call for a second term will not only be > forthcoming from the progressive forces but also from the masses as well. > > > > I stand corrected!! > > > > Samora > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Castro Ngobese > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 2:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA STATEMENT ON COSATU'S CALL FOR PRESIDENT > JACOB ZUMA'S SECOND TERM > > > > YCLSA statement on COSATU’s call for President Jacob Zuma’s second term > > 08 June 2009 > > The Young Communist League of South Africa [uFasimba] supports the COSATU’s > call for President Jacob Zuma to avail himself for the second term as the > ANC and state President. > > We are interested in the ANC leadership because we want a leadership that > will build and respect the Alliance. We will only stop being interested in > the ANC leadership once the Alliance is over. As long as the Alliance is > still intact and we are expected to mobilise and organise for the ANC > electoral victory during elections as one of our key common programme to > retain the ANC alliance in the state, our interest in the ANC leadership > will remain unchanged. As independent, albeit inter-dependent strategic > allies, we influence each other, and therefore there is no contradiction > between our views on the ANC leadership and the ANC’s organisational > autonomy. > > It is our view that the ANC leadership under President Jacob Zuma has shown > significant respect for the Alliance and the ANC itself. Notwithstanding a > number of challenges in the conceptualisation and implementation of the > reconfigured Alliance, particularly in some provinces, Allies relations have > significantly improved since the 2007 ANC National Conference in Polokwane. > > Our experience in the last 15 years has taught us that we can no longer be > spectators in the theatre of class struggle within the ANC when some people > are plotting day and night to capture the ANC for their own narrow BEE > elitist interests which have nothing to do with what the ANC stands for. We > should also make it clear that our support for the ANC cannot be > unconditional. We will continue to support a working class bias ANC in > practice – nothing else! > > We are also aware that there are those who are not opposed to the ANC > President leadership as such, but cannot wait to be ANC officials as soon as > possible. Whilst affirming their rights to stand for any position, we just > want to signal to them that we do not agree with them. It is too early for > them to start wetting their appetite for power. > > We urge those who disagree with us on this question to come out and disagree > with us on substance. And stop concealing their views under bureaucratic and > procedural arguments which hinge on when and who should raise this question. > We do not need political referees to tell us when to air our views on any > matter. > > We also note the growing attack on the SACP Chairperson and ANC Secretary > General – Gwede Mantashe by social forces within society and the ANC itself. > Notwithstanding our healthy differences with him as a leader of the ANC, we > would like to re-affirm our confidence in him as the ANC Secretary General > and will urge him to avail himself for the position of the ANC Secretary > General. > > Clarity on these matters will enable all of us to focus all our resources > and energies on building our organisational and state capacity to implement > our electoral mandate. > > We will agitate and mobilise our structures including our ANC on these > matters. > > Issues by YCLSA Head Office > > COSATU House > > 1 – 5 Leyds Street, Braamfontein > > Contact: > > Castro Ngobese > > YCLSA National Spokesperson – 082 567 3557 > > This message is subject to certain restrictions and qualifications which are > contained in our email disclaimer which is available on our website at > www.edcon.co.za/Edcon/Disclaimer or from the Group Secretary on (011) > 495-6000. > > The disclaimer also provides our corporate information and names of our > directors as required by law. > > The disclaimer is deemed to form part of this message in terms of Section 11 > of the Electronic Communications and Transactions Act, 2002. > > P Please consider the environment before printing this email and/or any > related attachments > > > > > > -- Sakhile Msane cell: + 27 711408565 ph: +27 35 7964469 Volkswagen of South Africa (Pty) Ltd. 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