Government relies on tax for revenue and if more enterprises are closing down or delisting in the JSE and more workers are getting retrenched, this simple means there will be less revenue for government to source money for all the things that the ANC have promised. This simple means services delivery, job creation, environmental protection and realisation of all the fundemetal human rights outline in the bill of rights in the constitution will not be realised. You see capitalism has reached a point where it needs to destroy everything that it have created so that it can start re-building itself from strech. That is the reason why we had the 1st and the 2nd world wars, capitalism was simple in crisis. What i get fromo what you are saying is that we should be mending a ship - like titanic - that is going to sink anyway no matter what you do. Its falling apart and there is nothing we can do to save capitalsim but except to propel helping it to arrive at its final logical death. Cdes capitalism is not sustainable and if we don't smash it will destroy everything that it has produced in past century. so let us build real working class power from below.
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:43:00 +0200 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: the NP govt was more socialist than the ANC govt. Cde Mxolisi You have a point however, let us first put your assertions to the test with what we currently have. That is ensure that the current SOE's and government itself are run effeciently. You and I know very well that should you lose a document that can only be provided by he state, you contemplate for a while before you go and apply for another one because of the ineffeciencies you will be faced with when you get there. Even worse the poorest of the poor who recieve social grants, go to government hospitals etc. My take on this is let us perfect what we have and then slowly take in more chunks as we get smarter in the way we do things. Tumelo G. From: Mxolisi Mlatha To: [email protected] Sent: Fri Jul 10 08:58:50 SAST 2009 Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: the NP govt was more socialist than the ANC govt. Comrade Domza If we say reform is reform and revolution is revolution we may create artificial boundaries of what occurs within a revolution. Let us take for instance the issue of the redistribution of land, it is a reform but can also be defined as a revolutionary reform depending on the content of the reform. This are issues that Lenin well tabulated in "Two Tactics of Social Democracy in the Democratic Revolution." It would be wrong to say we must first strenghten the working class organizations before we pursue the class interests of the working class, because apparently pursuing such interests will divert us from building working class organizations and by implication power. Is such power not about creating a working class orientated state? It is almost as if we are saying in the current context the working class cannot achieve any thing we must wait for socialism. I appreciate the useful examples that Domza gives about the experiences on nationalism in SA, but these are premised on the basis of the hegemony of bourgoesie class interests, true the fundamentals of the apartheid capitalist state are still in place. But does this mean a working class orientated movement that is in power cannot nationalise on the basis of its own terms. The latter refer to the detail and intent that such nationalization would be directed to. The tactical priority choices whether its Mittal first or not are all content issues that we can pursue which Domza infact seem to support if hes views are followed to the logical conclusion in this discussion. Mxolisi --- Sent from UnionMail Service [http://mail.union.org.za] _________________________________________________________________ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
