Cmrds, I don't think it's right for ANC problems to be debated on this forum, I am in this form to gain Communist ideas and to share ideas.
Let's not use this forum to debate ANC problems lets use the structures of the ANC and THE ANC YL stuctuctures Thami Ngcobo GSO Section U.S Consulate Durban 303 Dr Pixley Kaseme Street 30th Floor Old Mutual Center Durban Cell: +27 7911 11185 Tel: 27 31 305-7600 ext 3106 Fax: +27 31 305-7605 Official website: http://southafrica.usembassy.gov Facebook: www.facebook.com/USinSouthAFrica Twitter: www.twitter.com/USEmbPretoria From: tshepo digomo [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 4:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is Enough --- On Fri, 27/11/09, tshepo digomo <[email protected]> wrote: From: tshepo digomo <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is Enough To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 27 November, 2009, 16:32 Mayihlome Ihlasele! Comrades I have noted with dismay that if there is anything Polokwane Conference failed to achieve it was nothing but to refine or develop a lobbying policy and furthermore a way of managing differences. Not that our ANC has got know strategies instill and allows discipline to flow well when dealing with political matters but the fact Documents such as Conduct of The New Cadre, Through the Eye of the Needle are only being consulted and put into use when people have got agendas. The other problem is thge fact lobbying is reduced to AUTOCRACY and DICTATORSHIP but in a very malicious SPECIAL WAY. Nowadays in our organization when leadership is elected at the national level, it makes sure at provinces, regions,sub-regions mdm structures their fuction emerges as executives.IN ONE ORGANIZATION.ANC. OK maybe that could not be much of a bigger problem should this so called allies and faction,friends u name it leads this EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES from the level of branches,subregions regions and pecs depending or satisfying the so called lobbying. its only wrong when incapabl comrades are benefitting from this abusive lobbying which defeats the culture of our movements. SOMETHING SO VERY BAD COULD SO NICELY LOBBIED BETTER SOMETHING VERY GOOD BECAUSE OF THIS ABUSIVE LOBBYING. Scenario: if u move into the community you find a group 200 YOUNG PEOPLE and you humbly request to VOLUNTEER CLEANING THE VILLAGE ONLY 2% MIGHT PARTICIPATE BUT IF YOU LETS GO TO SESHEGO AND MmaLebogo is WITCHCRAFT You'll have the whole 98% chanting slogans and supportive of such excise. Let's find a way to kill blocks and block votings cause it doesn't benefit us in only build an ANC within ANC YOU EITHER belong this block or the other. leaders at NATIONAL LEVEL must destroy this tendencies. If am your best friend and am staying in Northern Cape but am still a political toddler neva lobby heavy highly decicive positions using this ABUSIVE LOBBYING so you could have a group of YES MANs from Branches BEcs to PEcs. let's support our orgarnizational democracy. leaders real leaders doenst fear challenges. Also someting part of this ABUSIVE LOBBYING is that when comrades wants to emerge as leaders they turn to sacrifice our leaders marketing themselves using Julius Malema, Buti Manamela,Cassel Mathale, Ace Magashule, Besani,Ally Boshielo,Cde Paul Mashatile to mention but few as the marketing brand by saying they're belong either of them. we need name and this opportunists and carreists cause when they practice ABUSIVE LOBBYING they turn a group of few poor and hungry starving young people turn into EMOTIONALISTS,INSULTISTS,MALICIOUS SLOGANISTS and feed them with beer and vetkoeks so they insults other leaders so they advance their masters lobbying agendas but contrarily this masters do noithing to help them advance their futures. All am saying is that it also wont if we reduce ourselves to this kind of comrades. I am one of the young people who fought and sweat in Managaung for our leadership to emerge and Cde Julius becomes so even I may hold contrary views and feels the way he does in not by our resolutiond i may also not temped to allow this forum to insult him or buti,blade cde jeremy or any other leaders elected by congresss of branches because for now cde Julius is still the face of the ANCYL if we shame him we are also SHAMING the image of the ANCYL. No one said the president can never go wrong but there are provision in our constitution that helps in this regard. Let us respect the President of ANCYL. IF President Malema wrongs he wrongs in our name and we gave him powers to protect and defend the ANC and ANCYL and if he's not doing that I what you need must beging cdalling for an NGC so that branches might be able to review and evaluate the work of the NEC FINISH & KLAAR!!!!!!!!Let stop attacking our leaders! --- On Fri, 27/11/09, NT Zwane <[email protected]> wrote: From: NT Zwane <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is Enough To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 27 November, 2009, 15:23 Cde It is really suprising, when Julius attack one of our own in the MDM atructures nothing is said, when one of our own in the MDM respond to Julius we are told that "let us not engage in petty politics" are these cde whom Julius attack not part of us , like Thabo Mbeki when he called him a coward, what he said about Zola Skweyiya, Naledi Pandor, Blade Nzimandze to name just a few, plz let us stop playing fool. I am not trying to justify waht Jeremeny Cronin did, if he is wrong he is wrong but let us not allow Julius to dictate. These are some of the things that led to many African countries being led by Dictators because they started by tasting the waters and saw that no one will stand against them, and eventually boom DICTACTORSHIP was the order of the day. Julius need to grow up politically and stop behaving like a Daila Ilama of the MDM and especially The ANC. I am a member of the YL and very concerned of what Julius is saying about a lot of issues, when we raise our concerns we are told to seize fire and play the man not the ball but he is the one who start playing the man and not the ball. This double standards must come to an end. Julius is not our demi god and blind loyalty is killing our org. Nicholas Zwane Quoting [email protected] <http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> : > My point exactly my leader > > Phereke. > > >> My leaders, what's done is done - we need to move on. You're the only one >> arguing amongst yourself and in the process the debate is suffering. No >> one has the ability to break the Alliance except ourselves. We do not have >> any competition in the youth politics of this country - a fertile ground >> for us to entrench our hegemony for the future generation. >> >> Let's go back to main object of this forum and engage on matters of >> national importance without being bogged down to personalities. The time >> will come for leadership change if there is a need for it and >> internal process will be followed to the letter. >> >> For now, let's engage in the spirit of comradeship. >> >> Comradely >> Morgan >> >> "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - >> Joe Slovo >> >> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, NT Zwane <[email protected] <http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> From: NT Zwane <[email protected] <http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough >> is Enough >> To: [email protected] <http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yclsa-eom-fo...@googlegrou ps.com> >> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 2:39 AM >> >> >> Cde >> >> Blind loyalty in Africa is one of the things that needs to be addresed >> cde [email protected] <http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> . >> >> >> >> >> >> Quoting [email protected] <http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> : >> >>> Cde Zwane, your views are highly personalised and extremly >>> unfortunate.The >>> nationalisation issue is not Cde Julis nor Floyd personal position, it >>> is >>> a resolution of the ANCYL 23 National Congress and should be understood >>> as >>> such. Well, if u hold a view of recalling ceratin individuals from >>> office, >>> you simply go to YL Structures and lobby membership, i dont know how >>> bringing it here will assist you. >>> >>> >>>> Cde >>>> >>>> Cde Julius Malema is dividing the PYA and his verbal diarrhoea >>>> continues to destruct comrades from focusing on what needs to be done >>>> by all MDM structures "i.e. to create a better life for all". South >>>> Africans are still waiting for "The Better Life for All" that they >>>> were promised. Julius is forgetting that we are a non racial and non >>>> sexist org. Calling people white messiahs is really going against >>>> these principles that we always advocate as the MDM. Julius and his >>>> friends the MTV Crowd (Some ANCYL NEC members, obsessed with fame and >>>> bling, including Floyd) must be recalled because they are not taking >>>> us anywhere instead they continue to confuse the youth. >>>> >>>> Some of our branches are in institutions of higher learning where >>>> the majority of students are still whites. It is imperative for us as >>>> the PYA to convince these white students that we are pushing for a >>>> correct course. When we play a race card for no reason we are going to >>>> loose these white votes and eventually fail to transform the >>>> institutions of higher learning. Julius grow up it is not always >>>> about race, education sometimes enhances the way we reason and Julius >>>> you really need to do something about your reasoning capacity. >>>> It is not a matter of who is correct or not, we must not compromise >>>> our principles for no apparent reasons. When are we going to the NGC >>>> of the ANCYL where Julius will be recalled, and where real and >>>> honest leaders will emerge and help us in advancing the objectives of >>>> the NDR? >>>> >>>> Cde Floyd (ANCYL SPOKESPERSON) seems to be suffering from amnesia. >>>> Just because now he is driving luxurious cars and drinking expensive >>>> whisky's he is forgetting what he always preached at Wits when he was >>>> still an undergrad there. Floyd let us remind you, you always >>>> criticised and even demonised the ANC and its youth league for living >>>> flamboyant lifestyles which is by the way what you are doing now. You >>>> have a nerve to criticise the YCL saying they are coming with insults >>>> where as you are the one who always threw insults on the Youth League >>>> and the 1996 Class Project. 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