Comrade VC, Thank you for your piece, it is powerful. It is unfortunate that some comrades still want to continue with the skirmishes. I have noted the advice and I will follow as directed.
Thank you, Cedric Sabelo Gina. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Ngcobo, Thamsanqa <[email protected]>wrote: > Cmrds, I don’t think it’s right for ANC problems to be debated on this > forum, I am in this form to gain Communist ideas and to share ideas. > > Let’s not use this forum to debate ANC problems lets use the structures of > the ANC and THE ANC YL stuctuctures > > > > *Thami Ngcobo* > > *GSO Section * > > *U.S Consulate Durban* > > *303 Dr Pixley Kaseme Street * > > *30th Floor Old Mutual Center Durban* > > *Cell: +27 7911 11185* > > *Tel: 27 31 305-7600 ext 3106* > > *Fax: +27 31 305-7605* > > Official website: http://southafrica.usembassy.gov > > Facebook: www.facebook.com/USinSouthAFrica > > Twitter: www.twitter.com/USEmbPretoria > > > > *From:* tshepo digomo [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, November 27, 2009 4:37 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Fw: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled > Enough is Enough > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 27/11/09, tshepo digomo <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: tshepo digomo <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is > Enough > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 27 November, 2009, 16:32 > > Mayihlome Ihlasele! > > > > Comrades I have noted with dismay that if there is anything Polokwane > Conference failed to achieve it was nothing but to refine or develop a > lobbying policy and furthermore a way of managing differences. Not that our > ANC has got know strategies instill and allows discipline to flow well when > dealing with political matters but the fact Documents such as Conduct of The > New Cadre, Through the Eye of the Needle are only being consulted and put > into use when people have got agendas. The other problem is thge fact > lobbying is reduced to AUTOCRACY and DICTATORSHIP but in a very malicious > SPECIAL WAY. Nowadays in our organization when leadership is elected at the > national level, it makes sure at provinces, regions,sub-regions mdm > structures their fuction emerges as executives.IN ONE ORGANIZATION.ANC. OK > maybe that could not be much of a bigger problem should this so called > allies and faction,friends u name it leads this EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES from > the level of branches,subregions regions and pecs depending or satisfying > the so called lobbying. its only wrong when incapabl comrades are > benefitting from this abusive lobbying which defeats the culture of our > movements. SOMETHING SO VERY BAD COULD SO NICELY LOBBIED BETTER SOMETHING > VERY GOOD BECAUSE OF THIS ABUSIVE LOBBYING. Scenario: if u move into the > community you find a group 200 YOUNG PEOPLE and you humbly request to > VOLUNTEER CLEANING THE VILLAGE ONLY 2% MIGHT PARTICIPATE BUT IF YOU LETS GO > TO SESHEGO AND MmaLebogo is WITCHCRAFT You'll have the whole 98% chanting > slogans and supportive of such excise. Let's find a way to kill blocks and > block votings cause it doesn't benefit us in only build an ANC within ANC > YOU EITHER belong this block or the other. leaders at NATIONAL LEVEL must > destroy this tendencies. If am your best friend and am staying in Northern > Cape but am still a political toddler neva lobby heavy highly decicive > positions using this ABUSIVE LOBBYING so you could have a group of YES MANs > from Branches BEcs to PEcs. let's support our orgarnizational democracy. > leaders real leaders doenst fear challenges. Also someting part of this > ABUSIVE LOBBYING is that when comrades wants to emerge as leaders they turn > to sacrifice our leaders marketing themselves using Julius Malema, Buti > Manamela,Cassel Mathale, Ace Magashule, Besani,Ally Boshielo,Cde Paul > Mashatile to mention but few as the marketing brand by saying they're belong > either of them. we need name and this opportunists and carreists cause when > they practice ABUSIVE LOBBYING they turn a group of few poor and hungry > starving young people turn into EMOTIONALISTS,INSULTISTS,MALICIOUS > SLOGANISTS and feed them with beer and vetkoeks so they insults other > leaders so they advance their masters lobbying agendas but contrarily this > masters do noithing to help them advance their futures. All am saying is > that it also wont if we reduce ourselves to this kind of comrades. I am one > of the young people who fought and sweat in Managaung for our leadership to > emerge and Cde Julius becomes so even I may hold contrary views and feels > the way he does in not by our resolutiond i may also not temped to allow > this forum to insult him or buti,blade cde jeremy or any other leaders > elected by congresss of branches because for now cde Julius is still the > face of the ANCYL if we shame him we are also SHAMING the image of the > ANCYL. No one said the president can never go wrong but there are provision > in our constitution that helps in this regard. Let us respect the President > of ANCYL. IF President Malema wrongs he wrongs in our name and we gave him > powers to protect and defend the ANC and ANCYL and if he's not doing that I > what you need must beging cdalling for an NGC so that branches might be able > to review and evaluate the work of the NEC FINISH & KLAAR!!!!!!!!Let stop > attacking our leaders! > > --- On *Fri, 27/11/09, NT Zwane <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: NT Zwane <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough is > Enough > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 27 November, 2009, 15:23 > > Cde > > > It is really suprising, when Julius attack one of our own in the MDM > atructures nothing is said, when one of our own in the MDM respond to > Julius we are told that "let us not engage in petty politics" are > these cde whom Julius attack not part of us , like Thabo Mbeki when he > called him a coward, what he said about Zola Skweyiya, Naledi Pandor, > Blade Nzimandze to name just a few, plz let us stop playing fool. I am > not trying to justify waht Jeremeny Cronin did, if he is wrong he is > wrong but let us not allow Julius to dictate. These are some of the > things that led to many African countries being led by Dictators > because they started by tasting the waters and saw that no one will > stand against them, and eventually boom DICTACTORSHIP was the order of > the day. > > Julius need to grow up politically and stop behaving like a Daila > Ilama of the MDM and especially The ANC. I am a member of the YL and > very concerned of what Julius is saying about a lot of issues, when we > raise our concerns we are told to seize fire and play the man not the > ball but he is the one who start playing the man and not the ball. > This double standards must come to an end. Julius is not our demi god > and blind loyalty is killing our org. > > > Nicholas Zwane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting > [email protected]<http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > : > > > My point exactly my leader > > > > Phereke. > > > > > >> My leaders, what's done is done - we need to move on. You're the only > one > >> arguing amongst yourself and in the process the debate is suffering. No > >> one has the ability to break the Alliance except ourselves. We do not > have > >> any competition in the youth politics of this country - a fertile ground > >> for us to entrench our hegemony for the future generation. > >> > >> Let's go back to main object of this forum and engage on matters of > >> national importance without being bogged down to personalities. The > time > >> will come for leadership change if there is a need for it and > >> internal process will be followed to the letter. > >> > >> For now, let's engage in the spirit of comradeship. > >> > >> Comradely > >> Morgan > >> > >> "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - > >> Joe Slovo > >> > >> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, NT Zwane > >> <[email protected]<http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: NT Zwane > >> <[email protected]<http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius and Floyd Must Be Recalled Enough > >> is Enough > >> To: > >> [email protected]<http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 2:39 AM > >> > >> > >> Cde > >> > >> Blind loyalty in Africa is one of the things that needs to be addresed > >> cde > >> [email protected]<http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > . > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quoting > >> [email protected]<http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > : > >> > >>> Cde Zwane, your views are highly personalised and extremly > >>> unfortunate.The > >>> nationalisation issue is not Cde Julis nor Floyd personal position, it > >>> is > >>> a resolution of the ANCYL 23 National Congress and should be understood > >>> as > >>> such. Well, if u hold a view of recalling ceratin individuals from > >>> office, > >>> you simply go to YL Structures and lobby membership, i dont know how > >>> bringing it here will assist you. > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cde > >>>> > >>>> Cde Julius Malema is dividing the PYA and his verbal diarrhoea > >>>> continues to destruct comrades from focusing on what needs to be done > >>>> by all MDM structures "i.e. to create a better life for all". South > >>>> Africans are still waiting for "The Better Life for All" that they > >>>> were promised. Julius is forgetting that we are a non racial and non > >>>> sexist org. Calling people white messiahs is really going against > >>>> these principles that we always advocate as the MDM. Julius and his > >>>> friends the MTV Crowd (Some ANCYL NEC members, obsessed with fame and > >>>> bling, including Floyd) must be recalled because they are not taking > >>>> us anywhere instead they continue to confuse the youth. > >>>> > >>>> Some of our branches are in institutions of higher learning where > >>>> the majority of students are still whites. It is imperative for us as > >>>> the PYA to convince these white students that we are pushing for a > >>>> correct course. When we play a race card for no reason we are going to > >>>> loose these white votes and eventually fail to transform the > >>>> institutions of higher learning. Julius grow up it is not always > >>>> about race, education sometimes enhances the way we reason and Julius > >>>> you really need to do something about your reasoning capacity. > >>>> It is not a matter of who is correct or not, we must not compromise > >>>> our principles for no apparent reasons. When are we going to the NGC > >>>> of the ANCYL where Julius will be recalled, and where real and > >>>> honest leaders will emerge and help us in advancing the objectives of > >>>> the NDR? > >>>> > >>>> Cde Floyd (ANCYL SPOKESPERSON) seems to be suffering from amnesia. > >>>> Just because now he is driving luxurious cars and drinking expensive > >>>> whisky's he is forgetting what he always preached at Wits when he was > >>>> still an undergrad there. Floyd let us remind you, you always > >>>> criticised and even demonised the ANC and its youth league for living > >>>> flamboyant lifestyles which is by the way what you are doing now. You > >>>> have a nerve to criticise the YCL saying they are coming with insults > >>>> where as you are the one who always threw insults on the Youth League > >>>> and the 1996 Class Project. Let us be true to ourselves and stop > >>>> behaving like the MTV Crowd people who have no purpose and direction > >>>> in life. > >>>> Floyd you must go and consult someone who will assist you to regain > >>>> your memory maybe you will start speaking sense, what you always utter > >>>> nowadays are just sponsored views, or by the way if you don't push > >>>> their narrow and ill-informed agenda the cars will just vanish. > >>>> > >>>> Proudly ANCYL, YCL and SASCO MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING University of > >>>> Pretoria > >>>> Nicholas Zwane > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer. Please refer > >>>> to www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ for full > >>>> details. / Hierdie boodskap en aanhangsels is aan 'n > vrywaringsklousule > >>>> onderhewig. Volledige besonderhede is by > >>>> www.it.up.ac.za/documentation/governance/disclaimer/ beskikbaar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You are subscribed. 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