Cde Nqobi I'm further prompted to inquire why did you guys fail to engage with relevant stakeholders but instead opted to form a social democratic political organisation as you put it whose funding bloodline remains a contested secrecy. Doesn't this means you harboured your own political ambitions and that infact you aided in getting things worse so that you may emerge as messiahs - a very predictable stratety. Is it not questionable Cde Nqobi that your then trade union movement leadership decided to form a political organisation whose politics is based on social democracy - a decision which was a compromise to the working class you were leading but okay to your personal agendas and Voila! what did we get at the end - a darling of the imperialists. And now you're calling for the SACP to form a Communist Party in Zimbabwe. Obviously this is a calculated move to confine any "Red Gevaar" in the near future in which MDC ruling elites will be in the reigns, again the assistance by SA communists would lend credence to that organisation and ensure that it is being spearheaded by a cabal which put its own interests under the disguise of social democracy before those of communism. Remember that trade unionism can be very parallel to reformism. Which then says the MDC is either "project gone wrong" or sell-outs, hence the failure to attract well-timed support from established African governments and liberation movements except from the likes of Raila Odinga's Orange Party. In conclusion, my sympathies are not aligned with ZANU-PF but with the genuine working class of Zimbabwe who are the victims of all this meanderings in the power struggles of the ruling elites and would-be ruling elites. Hence I reject your foney attempts to coerce unwitting young Marxists to be tangled in Zimbabwe's political web. Scholars of Marx I find it very wanting that this call should be exclusively made by Cde Nqobi whilst those we have come to view as the voice of the voiceless in that part of the land are silent both in action and speech. I pause Talk Frank --- On Tue, 8/12/09, Nqobizitha Mlilo M <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Nqobizitha Mlilo M <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The Changing Times Online To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 11:15 cde Samuel I am not sure how else you want me to respond to the question. I am saying the Lancaster agreement was a compromise of the liberation movement and the MDC accepts that it had to be done given the balance of forces. However in so far as the agreement speaks to the land issue, immediately after the 10 years the land issue should have been attended to, and this is what the trade union movement led by Morgan Tsvangirai was saying and by extention the MDC. Are you clarified? On 12/8/09, Samuel Somcuba <[email protected]> wrote: > Cde Mlilo please don't use Dick n Duck tactics, what is the position of > MDC in regard to Lancaster House agreement? > > > Samuel Somcuba > Pre-adjudicator > Small Business Amnesty > Tel :( 011)449-8500 > Fax : 086 544 3060 > Email :[email protected] > > 'the only things that stand between a person and what they want in life > are the will to try it, and faith to believe its possible" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nqobizitha > Mlilo M > Sent: 08 December 2009 10:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The Changing Times Online > > cde Talk Frank and Mzukisi > > The MDC is a social democratic party. It was formed from the ranks of > the trade union, student, social and broad civic society movements. > Its politics therefore is influenced by the working people of > Zimbabwe. > > The consultative meeting that gave birth to the MDC was led by the > trade union movement under the theme National Working People's > convention. > > You can read more about this on www.mdc.co.zw > > On the land question. The MDC has always raised the issue of land and > has sort to say the issues is not merely political issue but an > economic issue. The land reform process must benefit the ordinary > people and not the military and government officials as has happened. > > On the Lancastor agreement, it was a compromise position of the > liberation movement. However immediately after the end of that period > there was no evidence that there was going to be land reform and the > trade union movement raised this issue. Remember this was trade union > movement led by Morgan Tsvangirai. So the land question was an issue > that was within the thinking of the MDC even during the trade union > movement. > > ZANU PF raised the issue on the eve of the 2000 election as a > political survival tool when it was clear they would be voted out. > > In brief my leader this is the story. I really invite you to go > through the website of the MDC www.mdc.co.zw and we can engage. > > The solution is a revolution in Zimbabwe led by a workers party. The > MDC must retain its broad church social democratic character but the > SACP has a duty to assist in the setting up of the Communist Party of > Zimbabwe. 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