Dear Comrades, I am happy that all comrades agree that branches are an important component of our movement. Post analysis of any elective conference is important, including Polokwane for that matter.
What I wanted to highlight is that people must not neglect branches in building the organisation because the media does not build our movement. Regards, Sabelo. On 5/10/10, sipho shandu <[email protected]> wrote: > > Cadres, > > I feel a storm brewing with regards to this discussion. I am starting to > believe that a mini polokwane verbal exchange is going to take place if we > are not careful. > > The issue here is not about the branches having their say but it is with > the lack of tolerance that we as cadres have towards each other. > > Every cadre within the movement wants to govern and therefore we end up > having cliques and cabals which are killing the word democracy. > > I am sorry to say cadres that I am very dissappointed with you as members > of the PYA. If it is not Julius malema and Shivambu forwarding their own > agendas and bullying the proceedings of conferences then it is the ongoing > war of intolerance from the members of the YCL and ANCYL. > > Cadres, why can't we put our petty differences aside and just focus on what > o-Tata Mandela, Sisulu and Chris Hani fought for. If Chris Hani was still > alive, we would'nt be having this rude intolerance between youth alliances > and motherbody structures. > > Im pleading with you cadres for tolerance. Let us start tolerating each > other within forum first and be an example to everyone! > > Thank You. > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Nndwamato Mutshidza < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Cde Sabelo, >> >> It will be wrong for us to assume that branches have spoken even on >> deployees that are failing in their area of deployment. Despite the fact >> that I was not supporting the collective that emerge I am the first to say >> we will respect the wishes of branches irrespective of what we wanted to put >> as a team to propel Gauteng going forward. One of the issue as an ANCYL >> leader in my branch is the continued misunderstanding or disregards of >> fussing in new young blood in the body politics of the ANC. yes branches >> have spoken. The continued elections of Mayors who are failing our ailing >> Cities to lead, is a disregards of the concept of people shall govern. I >> live in Tshwane, and things are not jelling and how could you explain the >> leapfrogging of Cde Gwen to be Deputy Chairperson when she can manage the >> Capital City. What type of Gauteng are building? Yes branches have spoken >> and we respect that. That does not say we cant do a post analysis of the >> impact of slates in our body politics today. The impact of these slates >> negate the requirement to clearly do an anti-thesis of any deployment we so >> wish. In the process even good cdes are being compromised because they do >> not belong to a particular slate. Hence I am saying the ANC has a lot to >> learn from the Party in terms of identifying a capable cadres to lead our >> revolution. >> >> When one slate win over the other, does not mean cdes are not rooted in >> branches. It also about who controls administration that disqualifies those >> branches that hold a different views. Hence when we say power is in the >> branch, we should respect the wishes of teh branches irrespective of our >> desire. The very same delegates that chooses Cde Mashatile and Cde Mokonyane >> are from branches and as such its about horse trading which happened at the >> Conference. Let me give a full picture. Tshwane until the morning of Voting >> had 3 Cdes contesting for the Deputy Chair, Cde Father Smangaliso Mkhatshwa, >> Cde Bafana SIbisi, Cde Gwen Ramomopa and on true analysis, you will agree >> with me that in the manner I have put them Gwen is the last resort to take >> our Province forward, but won on the basis of block vote and on the basis of >> the slate which she belongs. She for example did not have the much support >> as Cde Figho Madlala from Ekurhuleni before he decline in favour of Cde >> Bafana as they were in the same slate. The same happened to Cde Father in >> favour of Cde Gwen. Here at this conference there was nothing about the >> power of branches but the power of money period. We could tell you of the >> promise that cdes were offered for going with Paul, including absorption >> into the Municipalities, etc. Hence I said yes branches have spoken and only >> a true analysis of what happened will marshal us to the future. We will >> remain loyal and bound by democratic centralism and there is one leader in >> the Province Cde paul Mashatile, whether he came in whatever forms we >> should rally all ANC members to support the collective leadership >> irrespective of our wishes. >> >> I remain, >> >> Cde Tom Mutshidza >> >> >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 5/10/2010 10:10 AM >> >>> >> >> Cde Sabela,good analysis. Also shows that smear campaign is not an >> effective tool,branches as you have said are vital.Cadres need to start >> doing work at branch level,in order to be rooted. What can you say on lists >> or maybe bulk voting according to lists ? >> Cde Kgosietsile Tsineng >> >> Sent from my Nokia phone >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sabelo gina >> Sent: 09/05/2010 13:02:42 >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Provincial Conference results >> >> I think the branches have sent a very message that they rule our >> politics, you undermine them at your own peril. Our comrades must >> learn that they must participate in the branches to defend proud >> traditions like respect for democratic centralism which lacks from the >> TG of our movement unfortunately. >> >> >> On 5/9/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Former Gauteng Premier and Deputy Arts and Crafts Minister Paul >> Mashatile >> > retained his ANC Gauteng chairmanship against Gauteng Premier Nomvula >> > Mokonyane last night. >> > >> > The long running and sometimes fractious race between the two culminated >> > in a 531-356 victory for the incumbent Mashatile over his former deputy. >> > Tshwane Mayor Gwen Ramokgopa beat Bafana Sibisi for the deputy chair >> > position and provincial secretary David Makhura retained his position >> > after beating Angie Motshekga and Panyaza Lesufi. Ntombi Mekgwe was >> > elected to the the treasury position and Humphrwy Memezi was elected >> > deputy secretary. >> > >> > Mokonyane declined a nomination to the provincial executive committee >> > after she lost her bid for the chair. Mokonyane’s supporters had >> > campaigned against creating two centres of power in the province and >> their >> > defeat could lead to a fractious relationship between the party and its >> > cadres in government in the province. >> > >> > What is your analysis on the latest development.I think 2012 have >> already >> > started. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm >> > >> > -- >> > You are subscribed. 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