Cdes, I fully agree and in no way that I am not accepting the leadership collectives. I am a loyal member of the ANC and understand that the delegates have put a leadership collective as reflected. What I want us to do is to ask ourselves the impact of Slates in concluding leadership both in the ANC and its leagues. What we have learned from and to Polokwane is the fact that you will not be elected to lead a movement on the basis of the Slate your name appears as opposed to quality. We need to say eventhough it happened in Polokwane, that does not make us embrace it as a way of life. We need to say there are good practice that have always informed the SACP to arrive at Leadership Collectives and that should be emulated to build strong ANC. By the way this has nothing with Regional Politics its about balancing the Political Consciousness and Professional Integrity to ensure that the ANC remain a popular voice of the masses. If we fail to have a clear balance of these tenants, we risk to have an ANC that cannot hold those deployed accountable. Hence the emphasis on the Impact of Slates/Blocks on slowing our pace of service delivery. This in no means does suggest that those in the other slates were good compared to others. It is to help us have a good mix of leadership irrespective of their preference to lead our Society. For example, we are a non-racial organisation and in our conference we could not accommodate the minorities to realise this noble objectives on the basis of slate/blocks. We have to witness cdes declining to stand because they know that they are not in any slates and as such they are just wasting time. Hence I am asking Communist to continue to guide the ANC on how to select a good leader. Be it in the Conference or in the build-up to conference. If by giving account of what happened makes me look like I am not accepting the leadership collective, I must say it now that's a total NO. By the way Cde Gwen come from my Branch (Mahlambandlopfu) and my analysis of any leader is informed by continuous engagement with them and how they relate to the very same branches we are saying power is in the branch. If you follow this you will then agree that what happened had happened and we need to soldier on. Cde Tom
>>> sabelo gina <[email protected]> 5/10/2010 12:19 PM >>> Dear Comrades, I am happy that all comrades agree that branches are an important component of our movement. Post analysis of any elective conference is important, including Polokwane for that matter. What I wanted to highlight is that people must not neglect branches in building the organisation because the media does not build our movement. Regards, Sabelo. On 5/10/10, sipho shandu <[email protected]> wrote: Cadres, I feel a storm brewing with regards to this discussion. I am starting to believe that a mini polokwane verbal exchange is going to take place if we are not careful. The issue here is not about the branches having their say but it is with the lack of tolerance that we as cadres have towards each other. Every cadre within the movement wants to govern and therefore we end up having cliques and cabals which are killing the word democracy. I am sorry to say cadres that I am very dissappointed with you as members of the PYA. If it is not Julius malema and Shivambu forwarding their own agendas and bullying the proceedings of conferences then it is the ongoing war of intolerance from the members of the YCL and ANCYL. Cadres, why can't we put our petty differences aside and just focus on what o-Tata Mandela, Sisulu and Chris Hani fought for. If Chris Hani was still alive, we would'nt be having this rude intolerance between youth alliances and motherbody structures. Im pleading with you cadres for tolerance. Let us start tolerating each other within forum first and be an example to everyone! Thank You. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Nndwamato Mutshidza <[email protected]> wrote: Cde Sabelo, It will be wrong for us to assume that branches have spoken even on deployees that are failing in their area of deployment. Despite the fact that I was not supporting the collective that emerge I am the first to say we will respect the wishes of branches irrespective of what we wanted to put as a team to propel Gauteng going forward. One of the issue as an ANCYL leader in my branch is the continued misunderstanding or disregards of fussing in new young blood in the body politics of the ANC. yes branches have spoken. The continued elections of Mayors who are failing our ailing Cities to lead, is a disregards of the concept of people shall govern. I live in Tshwane, and things are not jelling and how could you explain the leapfrogging of Cde Gwen to be Deputy Chairperson when she can manage the Capital City. What type of Gauteng are building? Yes branches have spoken and we respect that. That does not say we cant do a post analysis of the impact of slates in our body politics today. The impact of these slates negate the requirement to clearly do an anti-thesis of any deployment we so wish. In the process even good cdes are being compromised because they do not belong to a particular slate. Hence I am saying the ANC has a lot to learn from the Party in terms of identifying a capable cadres to lead our revolution. When one slate win over the other, does not mean cdes are not rooted in branches. It also about who controls administration that disqualifies those branches that hold a different views. Hence when we say power is in the branch, we should respect the wishes of teh branches irrespective of our desire. The very same delegates that chooses Cde Mashatile and Cde Mokonyane are from branches and as such its about horse trading which happened at the Conference. Let me give a full picture. Tshwane until the morning of Voting had 3 Cdes contesting for the Deputy Chair, Cde Father Smangaliso Mkhatshwa, Cde Bafana SIbisi, Cde Gwen Ramomopa and on true analysis, you will agree with me that in the manner I have put them Gwen is the last resort to take our Province forward, but won on the basis of block vote and on the basis of the slate which she belongs. She for example did not have the much support as Cde Figho Madlala from Ekurhuleni before he decline in favour of Cde Bafana as they were in the same slate. The same happened to Cde Father in favour of Cde Gwen. Here at this conference there was nothing about the power of branches but the power of money period. We could tell you of the promise that cdes were offered for going with Paul, including absorption into the Municipalities, etc. Hence I said yes branches have spoken and only a true analysis of what happened will marshal us to the future. We will remain loyal and bound by democratic centralism and there is one leader in the Province Cde paul Mashatile, whether he came in whatever forms we should rally all ANC members to support the collective leadership irrespective of our wishes. I remain, Cde Tom Mutshidza >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 5/10/2010 10:10 AM >>> Cde Sabela,good analysis. Also shows that smear campaign is not an effective tool,branches as you have said are vital.Cadres need to start doing work at branch level,in order to be rooted. What can you say on lists or maybe bulk voting according to lists ? Cde Kgosietsile Tsineng Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: sabelo gina Sent: 09/05/2010 13:02:42 Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Provincial Conference results I think the branches have sent a very message that they rule our politics, you undermine them at your own peril. Our comrades must learn that they must participate in the branches to defend proud traditions like respect for democratic centralism which lacks from the TG of our movement unfortunately. On 5/9/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Former Gauteng Premier and Deputy Arts and Crafts Minister Paul Mashatile > retained his ANC Gauteng chairmanship against Gauteng Premier Nomvula > Mokonyane last night. > > The long running and sometimes fractious race between the two culminated > in a 531-356 victory for the incumbent Mashatile over his former deputy. > Tshwane Mayor Gwen Ramokgopa beat Bafana Sibisi for the deputy chair > position and provincial secretary David Makhura retained his position > after beating Angie Motshekga and Panyaza Lesufi. Ntombi Mekgwe was > elected to the the treasury position and Humphrwy Memezi was elected > deputy secretary. > > Mokonyane declined a nomination to the provincial executive committee > after she lost her bid for the chair. Mokonyane’s supporters had > campaigned against creating two centres of power in the province and their > defeat could lead to a fractious relationship between the party and its > cadres in government in the province. > > What is your analysis on the latest development.I think 2012 have already > started. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za ( http://www.webmail.co.za/ ) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > -- > You are subscribed. 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