I understand. I feel upset like you. VC
On 16 June 2010 22:45, Bayethe Zulu <[email protected]> wrote: > Cde domza > > am upset with the defeat at the hands of the Uruguay team ,in true > communist fashion will respond in the morning ,am sure u will > persevere for my response. > > > Amandla > > Moses ka moyo > > On Wednesday, June 16, 2010, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Cde Moses, > > Maybe it's time to start to talk about some things in a bit more depth, > and I don't mean any leadership contest. > > I want to disclose an interest. When Zico Tamela, Maki Ndabeni and I > started the Communist University in 2003, I was already in the eighth year > of running a resource centre for new "entrepreneurs" or business > proprietors. More exactly, I was providing Business Development Services > (BDS). By that time I was the proprietor and my BDS business was called > "Hypercube". The Communist University held its first few months of sessions > in my resource centre, in the second half of 2003, just at the time when the > YCL was being revived. > > > > Before my resource centre was established in 1996, I already had > experience in this field in the Eastern Cape, in Johannesburg, and in > Britain. I know accounting, contract law, company and co-operative law, > building, costing, project management and cash flow forecasting and many > other skills. > > > > I wish we had a communist party advisory group or other kind of > collective that would study and develop such skills among revolutionaries, > because they are all revolutionary necessities, as Lenin understood very > well, for one. > > > > So when it comes to the kind of things the National Youth Development > Agency is trying to do, and claiming to do, I have plenty of experience of > them. I have seen, for example, Ntsika and Khula come and go. I have seen > the efforts of the SETAs. I have seen the efforts of the banks. The list of > failed initiatives is too long to mention. > > > > None of them succeeded. Practically all that has survived after billions > of rands have been spent on promoting small businesses and youth > entrepreneurship is what they started with, namely an essentially shallow > appeal to aspiration and desire for wealth, with very little of > understanding. In other words it has been more about pro-capitalist > propaganda than anything else. > > > > The Communist University from my point of view was about me learning, as > much as anybody else, and it still is like that. Hypercube had to close in > 2004. I was good. I was the best available. But I was not succeeding, and > nobody else was succeeding. > > > > I really can't believe that the NYDA is succeeding. If they were, then we > would see the results and we would be hearing about the way they do it, > which would have to be something new, because nobody has ever succeeded with > this thing in that way. > > > > One of the main reasons I personally went over to deeper communist > political studies in 2003 was because it was very clear to me by that time > that without political understanding, the idea of "SMMEs" (Small, Medium and > Micro Enterprises) was a dead duck. I could see that it was partly a matter > of motivation (agency) and partly a matter of class politics. As I think > about it now, I believe it is an even more fundamental matter of > understanding what Karl Marx called "the secret of the self-expansion of > capital". I am sure that without this kind understanding, the idea of small > business development is not going to be realised. > > > > Likewise, I don't think revolution will be realised if the nature of > business, as a practical and successful exercise is not properly understood > by the revolutionaries. > > > > There is a lot of discussion to be had about this, most of it necessary > and even crucial. Th discussion is a "must have" in my opinion, but it has > hardly begun. The recent remarks of the National Secretary of the YCL are a > good beginning, and Andile Lungisa's obviously sincere commitment is a good > beginning, but these are beginnings. Since 1994 we have hardly got anywhere > on this front. The quick gains of BEE have been made, that's all, leaving > the greater part of the work by far, still to be done. > > > > Let me throw out a few talking points. > > An entrepreneur is only a trader, connecting demand with supply.The > essence of growth is the extraction of surplus value. Labour power is sold > by the worker and bought by the capitalist, who extracts more labour than he > pays for. If the boss is a nationalised industry, municipality or parastatal > (SOE) the relationship is still the same, capitalist relationship. It's > called having a job. > > Extraction of surplus value happens in the workplace, not in the market > place. In that sense, the entrepreneur has nothing to do with the creation > of value. The entrepreneur is part of the circulation.COSATU, SACP and YCL > all demand more jobs, and correctly so, even though we know that the job > relationship is at the heart of capitalism, generating the class conflict > that we as communists are dedicated to putting an end to. > > This contradiction is resolved by saying that the product we want, and > the measure of "development", is only one: the growth of the working class, > because it is the only possible revolutionary class by now. > > The Chinese have assembled the largest working class the world has ever > seen, from almost nothing at the time of their revolution. Our strategic > goal should be seen for the time being as the creation of a giant working > class in Africa. In this work, capitalism is not a "stage" but it is an > instrument. This is why the NYDA, or something like it, must succeed. We > must make it succeed. We must have more jobs and that means more capitalism. > > The capital relationship, the job, is the means of creating the working > class. Only a giant, dominant, organised, politically-conscious working > class will ever be able to create a world where the relationship that > created it as a class, can be transcended, and done away with. > > For the time being, this remains the only growth path. There is only one > source of growth under capitalism, and that is surplus-value. There is no > second growth path. We have to get hold of this and drive it, be in charge > of it and rule it. > > > > These are just some thoughts towards beginning a discussion about these > and related things, of which there are many others that could be mentioned. > but this is enough for a beginning. I hope you will all join in. Personally, > as I have explained above, this is an essential conversation that has been > waiting to happen for many years past. > > > > VC > > > > > > > > > > On 16 June 2010 10:27, Bayethe Zulu <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is gutter journalism.the president was with the yl president in > Limpopo, > > > > the media has tried and failed to divide our revolutinery movement. > > > > President Jacob zuma will adress the youth program as head of state > > and cde lungida will adress as head of a youth state organ,period. > > > > Long live the PYA > > > > Moses ka moyo > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 16, 2010, Dominic.Tweedie <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Zuma to skip Malema rally > >> > >> Leaders to celebrate Youth Day apart > >> > >> > >> > >> Nkululeko Ncana, The Times, Johannesburg, > >> 15 July 2010 > >> > >> President Jacob Zuma and the ANC Youth League will, for the > >> first time in years, commemorate Youth Day at different rallies. > >> > >> In the latest sign of strained relations between the > >> president and youth league leader Julius Malema, Zuma will mark the > >> historic > >> day by addressing a rally organised by the National Youth Development > >> Agency, > >> in Mpumalanga, instead of one organised by the youth league. > >> > >> Zuma will share the stage with Malema's rival, Andile > >> Lungisa, the youth agency's chairman. > >> > >> Lungisa, who is also deputy president of the ANC Youth > >> League, is lobbying for support as Malema's successor next year. > >> > >> Today, Malema will address scores of youth league faithful > >> in Kuruman, Northern Cape. Zuma will miss the annual youth league rally > >> for the > >> first time since 2004. > >> > >> His absence will be only months after he and Malema fell out > >> over the youth league leader's pro-Robert Mugabe comments, which were > >> widely > >> seen as undermining Zuma's effort to broker a political deal between > >> the > >> Zimbabwean president and Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai and his > >> Movement for > >> Democratic Change. > >> > >> But Malema said yesterday that there was nothing unusual > >> about Zuma's absence at today's event. > >> > >> The Times was told the league did not invite Zuma because of > >> the complaints about last year's rally. > >> > >> "The league does not want to be seen to be monopolising > >> the president. Last years' complaints by other parties did not bode > >> well for > >> the Youth Day celebrations," said a league leader. > >> > >> Zuma was criticised last year for sharing the stage, in his > >> capacity as head of state, with Malema. > >> > >> The state-funded event in Katlehong, Ekurhuleni, was packed > >> with ANC supporters clad in the ruling party's colours and waving > >> election > >> posters printed with Zuma's face. > >> > >> Youth league spokesman Paseka Letsatsi said the league > >> "acknowledged this day as a national day" and was aware that Zuma > >> would be at a government function. > >> > >> Also absent from the youth league rally will be Manamela's > >> counterpart from tripartite alliance partner the Young Communist League > >> of SA. > >> > >> The communists' leader, Buti Manamela, told The Times he > >> would be attending a rally in Mamelodi, Tshwane, arranged by the > >> provincial > >> government. > >> > >> Manamela said his office had received a late invitation from > >> the ANC Youth League and his party would instead send provincial > >> leaders to > >> attend. > >> > >> "I will be going to the rally in Mamelodi to listen to > >> young people. It seems like the invitation to the youth league event > >> came late > >> and we can't react fast enough to attend the function when the > >> invitation is > >> that late," he said. > >> > >> The Young Communist League is to hold its rally on Saturday > >> in Sasolburg, Free State. > >> > >> > >> From: > http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article505532.ece/Zuma-to-skip-Malema-rally > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > >> Please POST your comments to -- > > Blog at: http://domza.blogspot.com/ > > Communist University web site at: http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ > > Subscribe for free e-mail updates at: > http://groups.google.com/group/Communist-University/ > > Library of documents (CU "CD") at: http://cu.domza.net/ > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You are subscribed. 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