The performance of Bafana matched the results of the game. Let us just support the team for the World Cup to succeed. The introduction of Suprise, Parker and Nomvethe for Teko, Pienar and Kagiso in the next game would hpefully yield the results. The team needs us but leadership at the back needs a competent Sangweni or fightinng Booth than current captain without intention to demoralise. Close down quickly and attack with purpose while possession is key.
Ign -----Original Message----- From: Dominic Tweedie Sent: 16/06/2010, 23:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Zuma to share stage with Andile Lungisa I understand. I feel upset like you. VC On 16 June 2010 22:45, Bayethe Zulu <[email protected]> wrote: > Cde domza > > am upset with the defeat at the hands of the Uruguay team ,in true > communist fashion will respond in the morning ,am sure u will > persevere for my response. > > > Amandla > > Moses ka moyo > > On Wednesday, June 16, 2010, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Cde Moses, > > Maybe it's time to start to talk about some things in a bit more depth, > and I don't mean any leadership contest. > > I want to disclose an interest. When Zico Tamela, Maki Ndabeni and I > started the Communist University in 2003, I was already in the eighth year > of running a resource centre for new "entrepreneurs" or business > proprietors. More exactly, I was providing Business Development Services > (BDS). By that time I was the proprietor and my BDS business was called > "Hypercube". The Communist University held its first few months of sessions > in my resource centre, in the second half of 2003, just at the time when the > YCL was being revived. > > > > Before my resource centre was established in 1996, I already had > experience in this field in the Eastern Cape, in Johannesburg, and in > Britain. I know accounting, contract law, company and co-operative law, > building, costing, project management and cash flow forecasting and many > other skills. > > > > I wish we had a communist party advisory group or other kind of > collective that would study and develop such skills among revolutionaries, > because they are all revolutionary necessities, as Lenin understood very > well, for one. > > > > So when it comes to the kind of things the National Youth Development > Agency is trying to do, and claiming to do, I have plenty of experience of > them. I have seen, for example, Ntsika and Khula come and go. I have seen > the efforts of the SETAs. I have seen the efforts of the banks. The list of > failed initiatives is too long to mention. > > > > None of them succeeded. Practically all that has survived after billions > of rands have been spent on promoting small businesses and youth > entrepreneurship is what they started with, namely an essentially shallow > appeal to aspiration and desire for wealth, with very little of > understanding. In other words it has been more about pro-capitalist > propaganda than anything else. > > > > The Communist University from my point of view was about me learning, as > much as anybody else, and it still is like that. Hypercube had to close in > 2004. I was good. I was the best available. But I was not succeeding, and > nobody else was succeeding. > > > > I really can't believe that the NYDA is succeeding. If they were, then we > would see the results and we would be hearing about the way they do it, > which would have to be something new, because nobody has ever succeeded with > this thing in that way. > > > > One of the main reasons I personally went over to deeper communist > political studies in 2003 was because it was very clear to me by that time > that without political understanding, the idea of "SMMEs" (Small, Medium and > Micro Enterprises) was a dead duck. I could see that it was partly a matter > of motivation (agency) and partly a matter of class politics. As I think > about it now, I believe it is an even more fundamental matter of > understanding what Karl Marx called "the secret of the self-expansion of > capital". I am sure that without this kind understanding, the idea of small > business development is not going to be realised. > > > > Likewise, I don't think revolution will be realised if the nature of > business, as a practical and successful exercise is not properly understood > by the revolutionaries. > > > > There is a lot of discussion to be had about this, most of it necessary > and even crucial. Th discussion is a "must have" in my opinion, but it has > hardly begun. The recent remarks of the National Secretary of the YCL are a > good beginning, and Andile Lungisa's obviously sincere commitment is a good > beginning, but these are beginnings. Since 1994 we have hardly got anywhere > on this front. The quick gains of BEE have been made, that's all, leaving > the greater part of the work by far, still to be done. > > > > Let me throw out a few talking points. > > An entrepreneur is only a trader, connecting demand with supply.The > essence of growth is the extraction of surplus value. Labour power is sold > by the worker and bought by the capitalist, who extracts more labour than he > pays for. If the boss is a nationalised industry, municipality or parastatal > (SOE) the relationship is still the same, capitalist relationship. It's > called having a job. > > Extraction of surplus value happens in the workplace, not in the market > place. In that sense, the entrepreneur has nothing to do with the creation > of value. The entrepreneur is part of the circulation.COSATU, SACP and YCL > all demand more jobs, and correctly so, even though we know that the job > relationship is at the heart of capitalism, generating the class conflict > that we as communists are dedicated to putting an end to. > > This contradiction is resolved by saying that the product we want, and > the measure of "development", is only one: the growth of the working class, > because it is the only possible revolutionary class by now. > > The Chinese have assembled the largest working class the world has ever > seen, from almost nothing at the time of their revolution. Our strategic > goal should be seen for the time being as the creation of a giant working > class in Africa. In this work, capitalism is not a "stage" but it is an > instrument. This is why the NYDA, or something like it, must succeed. We > must make it succeed. We must have more jobs and that means more capitalism. > > The capital relationship, the job, is the means of creating the working > class. Only a giant, dominant, organised, politically-conscious working > class will ever be able to create a world where the relationship that > created it as a class, can be transcended, and done away with. > > For the time being, this remains the only growth path. There is only one > source of growth under capitalism, and that is surplus-value. There is no > second growth path. We have to get hold of this and drive it, be in charge > of it and rule it. > > > > These are just some thoughts towards beginning a discussion about these > and related things, of which there are many others that could be mentioned. > but this is enough for a beginning. I hope you will all join in. Personally, > as I have explained above, this is an essential conversation that has been > waiting to happen for many years past. > > > > VC > > > > > > > > > > On 16 June 2010 10:27, Bayethe Zulu <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is gutter journalism.the president was with the yl president in > Limpopo, > > > > the media has tried and failed to divide our revolutinery movement. > > > > President Jacob zuma will adress the youth program as head of state > > and cde lungida will adress as head of a youth state organ,period. > > > > Long live the PYA > > > > Moses ka moyo > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 16, 2010, Dominic.Tweedie <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Zuma to skip Malema rally > >> > >> Leaders to celebrate Youth Day apart > >> > >> > >> > >> Nkululeko Ncana, The Times, Johannesburg, > >> 15 July 2010 > >> > >> President Jacob Zuma and the ANC Youth League will, for the > >> first time in years, commemorate Youth Day at different rallies. > >> > >> In the latest sign of strained relations between the > >> president and youth league leader Julius Malema, Zuma will mark the > >> historic > >> day by addressing a rally organised by the National Youth Development > >> Agency, > >> in Mpumalanga, instead of one organised by the youth league. > >> > >> Zuma will share the stage with Malema's rival, Andile > >> Lungisa, the youth agency's chairman. > >> > >> Lungisa, who is also deputy president of the ANC Youth > >> League, is lobbying for support as Malema's successor next year. > >> > >> Today, Malema will address scores of youth league faithful > >> in Kuruman, Northern Cape. Zuma will miss the annual youth league rally > >> for the > >> first time since 2004. > >> > >> His absence will be only months after he and Malema fell out > >> over the youth league leader's pro-Robert Mugabe comments, which were > >> widely > >> seen as undermining Zuma's effort to broker a political deal between > >> the > >> Zimbabwean president and Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai and his > >> Movement for > >> Democratic Change. > >> > >> But Malema said yesterday that there was nothing unusual > >> about Zuma's absence at today's event. > >> > >> The Times was told the league did not invite Zuma because of > >> the complaints about last year's rally. > >> > >> "The league does not want to be seen to be monopolising > >> the president. Last years' complaints by other parties did not bode > >> well for > >> the Youth Day celebrations," said a league leader. > >> > >> Zuma was criticised last year for sharing the stage, in his > >> capacity as head of state, with Malema. > >> > >> The state-funded event in Katlehong, Ekurhuleni, was packed > >> with ANC supporters clad in the ruling party's colours and waving > >> election > >> posters printed with Zuma's face. > >> > >> Youth league spokesman Paseka Letsatsi said the league > >> "acknowledged this day as a national day" and was aware that Zuma > >> would be at a government function. > >> > >> Also absent from the youth league rally will be Manamela's > >> counterpart from tripartite alliance partner the Young Communist League > >> of SA. > >> > >> The communists' leader, Buti Manamela, told The Times he > >> would be attending a rally in Mamelodi, Tshwane, arranged by the > >> provincial > >> government. > >> > >> Manamela said his office had received a late invitation from > >> the ANC Youth League and his party would instead send provincial > >> leaders to > >> attend. > >> > >> "I will be going to the rally in Mamelodi to listen to > >> young people. It seems like the invitation to the youth league event > >> came late > >> and we can't react fast enough to attend the function when the > >> invitation is > >> that late," he said. > >> > >> The Young Communist League is to hold its rally on Saturday > >> in Sasolburg, Free State. > >> > >> > >> From: > http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article505532.ece/Zuma-to-skip-Malema-rally > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > >> Please POST your comments to -- > > Blog at: http://domza.blogspot.com/ > > Communist University web site at: http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ > > Subscribe for free e-mail updates at: > http://groups.google.com/group/Communist-University/ > > Library of documents (CU "CD") at: http://cu.domza.net/ > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You are subscribed. 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