Leaders, Let us focus on what cde Zakhele raised. Unless, cdes are eyeing one of the current members in the NEC to take over from Malema, there is no debate. Cde Zakhele raised fundamental questions.... Is Malema the only NEC member? Is Malema the only one who appointed the NDC? Were there any report to lower structures from the NEC about Malema's Monarchy style of leadership? Was the agreement between Gwede and ANCYL binding? Questioning ones understanding of organisational protocols and operations does not qualify one to understand. In my view, summarily, Cde Zakhele doubts the bonafides of the other members of the NEC. We all agree that Malaema is not good for the organisation but he is not alone. He is continuing this way because he is supported by the majority of NEC members. The silence of other NEC members in the provincial conferences to echo their frustrations suggests that we lack leadership. We are led by cowards who cannot speak because of the fear of the unknown. I remain firm in my conviction that the NEC is divided but all resolved to toe the lines of Malema who is a member of the NEC like them with different tasks as enshrined in the constitution of the ANCYL. I believe that we are getting to the debate!!! Mduduzi Herman Vilakazi Senior Internal Auditor Dept of P/Works, Roads and Transport Mpumalanga Province Tel: 013 755 4793/ 013 752 2254 Cell: 083 990 8523/ 071 897 2744 Fax: 086 544 3205/ 013 752 4331
"My mission in life is to gather young creative minds to share their thoughts" >>> Lucky Biyase <[email protected]> 7/22/2010 12:17 PM >>> Really?? Lucky Biyase Business Report Reporter: Mining and Agriculture (011) 633 2671 (011) 838 2693 083 345 3009 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of howard matjomane Sent: 22 July 2010 12:15 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Limpopo ANCYL Media Statement on the NDC Outcome, 21 July 2010 Cde Zakhele, I ..... milllion times agree with you and you have explain it nicely and hopefully comrades would start to understand that is not your hatred or media attacks that determine the fall but whre it matter most ,in this case the branches. You can call Malema in all names but what remain important is the branches are behind him . On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Mangaliso Khonza <[email protected]> wrote: > Zakhele I am not gonna lable you but I guess you don't call a teaspoon > a fork for the fear that it might be offended by labelling. > > Where tyranny reigns even when there is dissent it is crushed and part > of the issue is that I wonder the thought that you expressing around > the informal dialogues you have with NEC members and ex-officio really > reflect your understanding of the ANC Youth League NEC business and > the nature of the debates internally or the modus operandi relating to > the style of leadership? > > Have you ever been in a meeting presided by the incumbent president, > comrade Julius Malema or are you insinuating that you are priviledged > to know the style of leadership that he applies to run the > organisation. > > The National Disciplinary Committee derives its existence from the > ANC YL Constitution but the Constitution has never appointed the NDC > members, these are appointed by the incumbent leadership and I guess > as we all understand the organisation, it becomes clearer who the > applier of the law is and the direction the law is going to be applied > based on the appointment of the NDC. The NDC is not an elected > structure, it does not emanate from Conference, only its mandate > derive from the Constitution which is a product of Congress in its > self regulation and definition. > > Fact is the NDC leaves much to be interrogated and pity it is not > going to be now > > > On 22/07/2010, Kenny Motshegoa <[email protected]> wrote: >> Zakehele: Where lawlessness does not exist why find someone guilt. >> Are you trapped by patronage, money, wealtth and fast cars. Gud luck >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, zakhele sibiya >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Comrades, i am tempted to come in and put my comment. I am sure >>> comrades will be sober in understanding what i am trying to convay. >>> What has been a tendencey as young people and unfortunately this >>> tendancy has migrated into our congress at large. >>> >>> Comrades i think we need to approach issue by not labling each other >>> and calling each other names. Comrade Malema is the current >>> President of the ANCYL and his duties as President are corrently >>> spelled out in the constitution of the ANCYL. >>> >>> I refuse to be made to believe that the DC of the ANCYL consist of >>> only one person, and that should be President Malema. I refuse >>> again to be made to believe that President Malema is the tyrany in >>> the NEC. >>> >>> I have never heard of any NEC members including ex-officious which >>> are the Provincial Chairpersons and Secretaries coming out either to >>> the public or to structures reporting any form of mornchy style by >>> President Malema. We all get briefings from comrades who were in >>> the NEC meetings in an informal way, and can someone tell me whether >>> is that principle or what. >>> >>> I am not sure if the agreement between the YL and Comrade Gwede to >>> ask comrade Masoga to withdraw the charges and the YL will also not >>> proceed with the DH was a bidding or was a consesus agreement. I >>> think that is where we should draw the jist of the problem and who >>> should be taken to task. >>> >>> I will come again to navigate on comrade Masoga. But dont lable me >>> comrades >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:38 AM, sipho shandu <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings Maqabane, >>>> >>>> I am overwhelmed at the latest developments within the ANCYL >>>> regarding the expulsion of Cde Masoga by the pro malema NEC. It is >>>> however unfortunate that malema has turned the ANCYL into a circus >>>> from the once powerful and respected organisation. >>>> >>>> It is unfortunate and sad that malema is the only president of the >>>> league who has displayed such uncouth behaviour and the only >>>> president that shall not be missed when he vacates the youth >>>> leagues' presidency! >>>> >>>> We have the likes of Tata Madiba, Fikile Mbalula, Malusi Gigaba, >>>> Peter Mokaba and so on who have been at the helm of the YL and led >>>> the youth but have never ever displayed the dispeakable behaviour >>>> of malema. >>>> >>>> The only person who should have been expelled from the YL is malema! >>>> malema has portrayed himself like a hooligan and not like a cadre >>>> whom we can have trust in. >>>> Malema has rudely insulted senior cadres within the motherbody as >>>> well as cabinet ministers. He has gone as far as nearly plunging >>>> the country into civil war and put our entire economy at risk. >>>> >>>> Malema is no good for the ANCYL!!!! We shall fight for cadre Masoga >>>> to be restored back to his position and also in the youth league. >>>> We will also restore all the cadres that have been suspended or >>>> expelled by this dodgy NEC!!! >>>> >>>> AMANDLA!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Mbasa Metuse >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Comrades >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please find attached the Statement presented to a Press >>>>> Conference today the 21st of July 2010 in Polokwane. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Mbasa Metuse >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You are subscribed. 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