National Democratic Revolution it’s a maximum programme of the ANC that seeks to take us to a “united,non-racial, non-sexist and democractic society”. After we have created a democratic society, we are at the infant of socialism.
If ANC is the leading the NDR, and there are those who pull that the ANC should not be a “strategic political centre of power” you leave some of us with some few questions that should be clarified: v Where should the political centre of power lie and why? v Is the alliance an organisation or a tactical treaty in persute of the national democratic revolution? v Do we all understand why the NDR should not be lead by the alliance but the ANC? v What task should the ANC do with the power it have to advance the revolutionary course? v What are the features of NDR? Can I submarine here for now and allow comrades to come in and lets engage without vilification On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Oupa Msiza <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey comrade Luzuku u are raising not only important but a relevant issue in > our alliance. My view drawing partly from Lenin is that the working class > leaders and their constituencies are not automatically revolutionary which > is why you need professional revolutionaries or communists to lead them. For > me Cosatu and its unions focus mainly on shop floor issues the difference is > that they articulate them in the context of socio-economic situation that > affect workers daily. > > But the other important issue which we must continue to debate and put it > to bed is that the ANC as an organization is the strategic political centre > of power. > Power lies with organizations so the alliance is not an organization in > actual fact it is the > the motley crowd just to borrow from Marx. We may want to justify the > existence of the alliance and its relevance as much as we can and for so > long as we can however the ANC remains a bourgeoisie organization we need > to talk about is transforming the ANC in the ANC and improve the workings of > the alliance and stop crying fowl. Reconfiguration for instance proves not > to be successful so lets call for its reviewal and that is the starting > point. > > Lets talk maqabane. > > --- On *Thu, 9/30/10, Luzuko Buku <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Luzuko Buku <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC S-G: Lead in practice > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 8:29 AM > > In as much as I agree with the conception that Trade Unions are > instruments of the capital, I have been forced to understand that South > African trade unions are revolutionary trade unions. But my view is that the > manner in which the ANC SG puts it, its as if COSATU is a training school > for the ANC and Cabinet. There is a very influencial role that COSATU must > play and it must not be seen as such. We are now further deviating from the > discussion that members of COSATU and SACP are elected in the ANC on their > capacity as members of these organisations. My further problem with this > arguement posed by the SG is that it projects the ANC as the ultimate > organisation that revolutionaries can lead in in South Africa. > > > > Luzuko Buku > SASCO Chairperson > Western Region ( EC) > ANC Rodgers Faltein > 0786172286 > www.lbuku.blogspot.com > > "The state is the product and manifestation of the irreconcilability of > class antagonisms..."State and Revolution, Lenin (1917) > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dominic.Tweedie <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thu, September 30, 2010 10:08:57 AM > *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] ANC S-G: Lead in practice > > > > [image: The Times] > > > *'Cosatu must cool it'* > > *Mantashe spells out role for unions* > > > *Dominic Mahlangu, The Times, Johannesburg, 30 September 2010* > > ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe has called on trade union federation > Cosatu to focus on grooming future national leaders instead of constantly > arguing about the "strategic political centre" of the tripartite alliance. > > Mantashe yesterday told delegates to the elective conference of the > National Education, Health and Allied Workers' Union, in Boksburg, on the > East Rand, that trade unions were the best schools for developing > "revolutionary leaders". > > He said a number of ministers in President Jacob Zuma's administration were > products of Cosatu. > > "It is a contradiction to say that the ANC leads a revolutionary alliance, > but the alliance led by the ANC is not a strategic political centre [centre > of political power]," Mantashe said. > > He said trade unions should consider how they could strengthen their > influence in the ANC. He said their failure to do so could lead to other > social classes steering the ruling party away from the Left. > > "Trade unions are the best schools for developing future leaders. They are > schools for revolution," he said. > > Mantashe told the conference that unions should be prepared to release for > other duties the leaders that they produced. > > Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi on Tuesday told the conference > that the ANC's failure to affirm that its alliance with Cosatu and the SA > Communist Party was South Africa's strategic political centre has resulted > in the members of the federation feeling that they were being used merely to > garner votes for the ruling party. > > He said the union would continue to ask the ANC for answers. > > *From: > http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article682744.ece/Cosatu-must-cool-it* > * * > * * > > > > -- > You are subscribed. 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