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(Lighter note) Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:23:18 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD P ROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES u welcome!! On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Ngiyabonga > > Sent from my Nokia phone > -----Original Message----- > From: Gugu Ndima > Sent: 06/10/2010 9:04:18 pm > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED > AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES > > Comrade Sabelo, I was merely cautioning that we remain objective when we > engage > > No I could never hold a grugde for a fellow comrade leader..Kudlulile!! > > Regards > > Gugu > > On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> Gugu, what have i done now? Are you telling me about a grudge that you >> have? >> My apologies if your read emotions in the words I wrote. Comradely, Cedric >> >> Sent from my Nokia phone >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gugu Ndima >> Sent: 06/10/2010 5:07:42 pm >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >> >> Cadre Sabelo, we must equally appreciate criticism and be able to bring >> sober clarity to fellow comrades so they understand the our stance >> >> I remember not so long you had accused me of being a Molefe when I humbly >> made an attempt to correct some of the deviations which were taking place >> in >> the forum. As a senior leader I think its best that you make Cde. Thabang >> understand the current contradictions and our role as the vanguard. We >> should minimise being emotional so as to avoid clouding core issues >> >> I do not recall at any stage Thabang where the YCL and SACP misled the >> working class particularly when it relates to the state apparatus and >> machinery used at times to oppress the working class, or hinder with their >> right to demand for better employment conditions. >> >> Infact the YCL has been very vocal about police brutality, lack of service >> delivery and our branches have been very visible in the very same service >> delivery protests. When the Police commissioner boldly took to the streets >> to pronounce on shoot to kill, we were very clear on our stance to a point >> where the Minister himself requested that we meet on this issue...we have >> never back-tracked or been apologetic on advocating for the working class >> and the poor. >> >> The YCLSA made submissions together with Unions on the Banning of Labour >> brokers and we continue to to work on the ground with young workers who >> are >> subjected to such injustices. >> >> Ours is not to parade our victories and calls for change in society. There >> are a number of campaigns which now find resonance with other political >> formations and the government, where the SACP and the YCL were the >> champions. But there is no intellectual property of the revolution and >> ours >> is only to advance it. We are not in the Olympics nor are we contesting >> anyone. Ours is to boldly fight Capitalism and the >> socio-economic disparates it continues to perpetuate in our society. >> >> Let us also take note of the fact that the are members of the ANC who >> members of the SACP as much as we are all members of the PYA. we should >> not >> at any stage be apologetic about being members in all Alliance components. >> Lets also keep in mind that the ANC is broader church, contested by >> various >> class components. This will emanate even within the State. the State still >> remains untransformed and that continues to be a challenge particularly >> for >> the working class and the poor. >> >> >> Regards >> >> Cde. Gugu >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:50 PM, [email protected] >> <[email protected] >>> wrote: >> >>> Thabang, i am sure you were angry when you wrote your input. Elders have >>> cautined me not to write when i am angry and i took their advice. I would >>> suggest that you do the same. It is not good to generalise when >>> discussing >>> important matters of the national democratic revolution. Comradely, >>> Sabelo >>> >>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Thabang Ngcozela >>> Sent: 05/10/2010 6:01:01 pm >>> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> >>> maybe it is important to indicate as well that the anc as the party in >>> charge of the state machinery is the employer that also promotes >>> anti-worker >>> policies and working conditions that inflicts the same injustices the da >>> advances. it is hypocritical for the yclsa to pretend that the da is the >>> only party that advances these injustices because the anc does exacle the >>> same. For how long will the sacp and yclsa will they continue to be >>> apologetic for the anc and mislead the working class to believe that >>> there >>> are fundemental difference between the da and anc. They all stand for >>> capitalism, which is the natural enemy of the working class. >>> >>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:59:04 +0200 >>> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT >>> OF >>> LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> >>> >>> 5 OCTOBER 2010 >>> >>> >>> The Young Communist League of >>> South Africa (uFasimba) is appalled but not shocked by the ignorance >>> demonstrated by the DA in their proposal to parliament to amend the >>> Labour >>> Relations Act. The proposed amendments are to ensure that Unions who >>> embark >>> on >>> a strike will be held liable for any property damaged during strikes. The >>> amendment >>> further demands that Unions put in place measures to prevent violence, >>> injury and >>> damage to property; this insinuates that all property damaged and >>> violence >>> during strikes is caused by workers. >>> >>> >>> These proposals unfortunately >>> expose the ignorance and blatant misconception of what a strike is >>> according to >>> the DA and equally the objectives of a strike. A strike unfortunately is >>> not a >>> spontaneous event which is a result of a caucus of a few individuals who >>> have >>> nothing better to do with their time. A strike culminates from a >>> strenuous >>> exercise >>> of negotiations and bargaining with stakeholders involved. It is a last >>> resort >>> which Unions only embark on when deemed necessary. Further to that, no >>> Union >>> has ever encouraged violence and hooliganism whenever unions take to the >>> streets. >>> >>> >>> The violence that DA’s supposedly >>> sees is as a result of the intransigent attitude demonstrated by >>> Employers >>> or >>> Management who undermine the right of workers to strike and resort to >>> utilising >>> police brutality and violence to avoid proper negotiations and giving >>> workers >>> what they rightfully demand, in their cause to emancipate themselves from >>> perpetual exploitation and harsh working conditions. When police shoot >>> randomly >>> and go on a rampage against workers, there is little reprimanding as such >>> maliciousness is viewed by the likes of the DA as the restoration of Law >>> and >>> order. >>> >>> >>> The DA should perhaps consider >>> mobilising its elite constituency which mainly consists predominantly of >>> the >>> culprits that refuse to meet worker demands, to abolish Labour broking, >>> give >>> workers a decent living wage and probably leave their well-furnished, >>> air-conditioned >>> offices to see some of the harsh conditions they subject workers to. >>> >>> As the YCLSA we are well aware >>> that it’s the inherent nature and character of the DA to take such >>> distorted >>> and antagonistic postures when it comes to worker issues. We advise that >>> the DA >>> starts a process of conscientizing its members about worker struggles in >>> our >>> country and propose progressive amendments which will expose Employers of >>> this >>> country and hold them accountable for exploitation and further more join >>> us >>> in >>> the call to Ban Labour brokers within the very same LRA they want to >>> amend. >>> >>> >>> Unions are a dire necessity given >>> the state of our private and public sector. Despite progressive laws in >>> place >>> within the LRA, employers continue to find ways to deviate from them and >>> this >>> creates the patterns of resistance and ultimately workers taking to the >>> streets >>> to fight these socio-economic injustices. The proposed >>> amendment by the DA is another way to suppress and undermine workers >>> rights >>> to >>> strike, as the YCLSA we call for the proposal to be shelved as it has no >>> place >>> in our democracy. >>> >>> >>> Issued by the YCLSA Head office >>> >>> Contact >>> >>> Gugu Ndima >>> >>> National spokesperson >>> >>> 076 783 1516 >>> >>> -- >>> Gugu Ndima >>> +27 76 783 1516 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gugu Ndima >>> +27 76 783 1516 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>> >>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >>> this message. >>> >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>> options, pages, files and membership. >>> >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>> [email protected]. >>> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >>> put anything in the message part. 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