I just hope I am not creating a sin by responding or commenting on this subject.
I think we became very harsh on members of NEHAWU and SASCO by taking a decision to hand them to the management (members of Employers Associations) to deal with them. Tomorrow we will blame both students and workers when they ask as to whose interests are we serving. We cannot distance ourselves from workers and students. I don't know the struggles of NEHAWU at TUT, but if my employer can get such instruction from the communists, a damage can be more than the imperialists attack on Libya. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: pupuru motebejane Sent: 23/03/2011 10:23:35 am Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA CONDEMNS THE REPORTED HECKLING ANDBOOING OF SACP GENERAL SECRETARY AND MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION This statement shows that the national office of the YCL was not well briefed,it would have been nice and fine if the office interacted with thebranch of YCL in TUT to understand what transpired there. Firstly the gathering itself is called a public lecture which is open to members of public and university community not memorial lecture as captured by national office and u can further check it here http://www.tut.ac.za/News/Pages/Nzimandetoaddresspubliclecture.aspx [1] The minister was suppose to speak on the topic as attached but instead because of the march which students had earlier on that day,the minister felt that it was neccessary that he deal with matters raised in the memorandum as submitted,as ussuall the engagement will deepen to a greater level,like any other gathering questions and clarities will be raised,it is just that it was unfortunate that such questions and clarities coincided with the level of heat initiated from the march.Now i would not call that heckling,and true that orders were called when the minister was responding to some of the issues raised again i would not call that heckling,that is part and parcell of the engagements. It is just that the minister did not like the manner in which the questions were raised with heat charged approach,but in that process order was called that he must be in position to understand the heat as he is the one deemed to be of more understanding the struggle and his appointment raised lot of hopes for students at the level Representivity,Academic Freedom,Exclusions of any kind and struggle to attain free education.The participants who were students in majority and members of SASCO felt that it was disorder that the minister indicate that they must understand current conditions as beyond his comprehension,because they felt that the minister who is a communist must be different from other ministers who came before him.It was then that the minister felt that his intergrity is being questioned and decided to leave raising time as a factor,then the audience sang the song of "A ya saba a magwala" maybe that may qualify to be booing to some extend and further one could see from the facial expression that minister was indeed not fine. But for this kind of lecture in TUT these kind of engagements are usuall with the exception of attempted physical attack of Thabo Mbeki.To me this did not appear to be political intolerance or the war against whoever as one student made an indication that is surprising that the minister seem to be negated by neoliberal tendencies in goverment,this does not apper to be as national office deem it to be. Furthe interactions can be located in the DEC in Tshwane and BEC in TUT On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:40:18 +0000 [email protected] wrote YCLSA should not depend on hearsays. Those who were there can tell a different story. I was in particular disturbed by the fact that the minister raised issues and there after wanted to leave because he was hurrying somewhere. The noise was a grumble from students and staff who wanted to engage the minister. Leaders should not think that the information they have is omnipotent. I think that for YCLSA to seek to defend the minister who has a well equipped office in government smells of a rat. It makes me suspect that there is an internal war within the party such that YCLSA supect that those who attended the lecture are those with dissent on party operational matters. Equally, it was correct of SASCO members to differ with the minister on the non provision of free education. The minister is not a superman that makes people to agree on anything he sayz. The conclusion that calls on us to debate internally suggest that YCLSA did not understand the platform and the capacity on which the minister was speaking. This was not a political but academic platform. Can YCLSA be freed from factional support and responses on street gossips. Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device ------------------------- From: Gugu Ndima Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:15:54 +0200 To: ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA CONDEMNS THE REPORTED HECKLING AND BOOING OF SACP GENERAL SECRETARY AND MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION YCLSA CONDEMNS THE REPORTED HECKLING AND BOOING OF SACP GENERAL SECRETARY AND MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION 22 MARCH 2011 The Young Communist League of South Africa (uFasimba) condemns with the contempt it deserves, the reported heckling and booing of Cde. Blade Nzimande, General Secretary of the SACP and Min. of Higher Education on Friday by a group of people (said to be members of SASCO and NEHAWU) at the Tshwane University of Technology. Cde. Nzimande was expected to deliver a lecture as per invitation by the university. We view the persistent, uncomradely and foreign culture as a form of promoting political intolerance and a means to shut down fellow comrades from constructive engagements that can help bring about solutions for the challenges faced by our society. When heckling and booing happened at the Special Congress of the SACP, at the ANC Youth League NGC and at our own Congress, the leadership of the YCLSA took responsibility and condemned these actions, and we will continue to do so with the interest of promoting constructive debates. We had hoped by now both SASCO, NEHAWU and the TUT management would have already come out strongly to condemn these actions. Instead what we have read was a tacit admission by SASCO that they organized the heckling and booing, if not, that they support it, as was evident in their attack of the General Secretary of the SACP in their subsequent statements through their Secretary General, Lazola Ndamase. Irrespective of our collective and united commitment towards the attainment of free quality public education, an ideal we championed when it could easily be ridiculed; we will however never flinch when such legitimate demands are used for cheap politicking within or by SASCO. The struggle for quality public education shall be waged, and won, parallel to the struggle in defense of the unity of our movement, its collective discipline and its paramount traditions of robust debates devoid of hoodlum-politicking. We anticipate students in our country, especially members of SASCO, to rise up from the gutter-politics displayed last Friday. The right to differ with comrades should never be confused with irresponsible conduct. We expect the best in debates from our future intellectuals. We further condemn the silence by the TUT management, and call on them to swiftly take action against the culprits just as they did when former president Thabo Mbeki addressed and a student caused similar disruptions. As the YCLSA we will fight any attempts to try and isolate Cde. Blade Nzimande from the leadership collective of the ANC and that of cabinet through innuendos and apolitical overtones, and to try and wage a war against the SACP by waging a war against the Ministry of Higher Education. We further challenge the cowards who used that platform of a memorial lecture as a way to raise issues they could not win within the SACP to come back into the structures of the SACP and debate these issues through proper protocols. Issued by the YCLSA Head office For more information contact Gugu Ndima National Spokesperson 0767831516 -- Gugu Ndima +27 76 783 1516 [2] -- Gugu Ndima +27 76 783 1516 -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. 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