Comrade Morgan , I concur with what you have raised, the matter at hand and that he should further dliberate in the context he raises this view.
Its not the fisrt time we heard this matter being raised. I have to disagree with Andile given my understanding of the issues within the education system. I sincerely believe that teachers are as equally victims as students/pupils are. I fail to graple with why teachers particulary those in black communities should be subjected to the working conditions they are currently working under. I believe that teachers have given government this lea-way to abuse them and moreover allow certain shortcomings to pass without interrogation there are schools with no basic services, which teacher is expected to work in such appaling conditions? is it the black teacher? This is my bone of contention. Black teachers are expected to perform miracles because there were teachers under apartheid that did the same. Is the current democratic dispensation NOT applicable to them? I believe that they are workers who equally have the right to a decent living and the Labour relations act should also apply I think Andile should get a more informed understanding of the struggle of teachers. but also the challenges of the educaion system, you can have a festival of educatos, but if the content of education and the system is flaw, it will not assist. we can't merely blame teachers for the education crisis. Why is that its only the Minister that is applauded when there is a pass rate increase whereas it is the teachers that commit and make this possible...SADTU was hands on in 2010 despite their challenges and ensured that the pass rate in 2010 was what it was. Gugu On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:43 AM, morgan phaahla <[email protected]>wrote: > I fully agree my chief that the platform he uses is ours. I also > understand your reaction - some of our comrades' conduct can make us go > haywire at times. They just don't understand the impact of their conduct in > our movement and society at large. > > You'll agree with me that all deployed cadres are generally expected to > rally behind a common programme of our movement. We monitor compliance by > observation and any deviation in behaviour begets the recall of such a > cadre. > > Until we reached a consensus about a cadre's conduct to be a point of > division in the organisation, he/she will be afforded an opportunity to > explain himself/herself in compliance with the general principles of > natural justice. > > But this does not stop us from engaging with the issue being raised and > articulate our position as a movement. I trust you will accept my plea for > robust engagement and everything else will follow as a direct consequence. > > We must continue to strive to act in unity. > > Remain, > Morgan Phaahla > > "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - > Joe Slovo > > --- On *Mon, 1/23/12, [email protected] <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on > Central Applications Office > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 12:23 PM > > > Comrade Morgan I accept your intervention. But u see, the platform that > Andile uses to advance his views is not his; it's ours. What do we call a > person who makes use of a people's platform to advance private personal > interests? > > Sent by AlexM > ------------------------------ > *From: *morgan phaahla <[email protected]> > *Sender: *[email protected] > *Date: *Mon, 23 Jan 2012 03:32:01 -0800 (PST) > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] > *Subject: *RE: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on > Central Applications Office > > Cde Alex, I don't think it would be correct to relegate cde Andile > Lungisa to be "behaving like a thug". There is nothing criminal about > expressing a different view. > > To this end, I'm of the view that the NYDA chair must be accorded an > opportunity to explain himself and the rationale behind his call > for "education to be de-unionised." > > Cde Andile has every right to have misgivings about the system but > that does not warrant him to called names, no matter how much we disagree > with his arguments. What is important is for us to engage with the > issue being raised and not the person raising it. > > If we do the latter, cde Alex, we'll be degenerating ourselves and > creating an impression that the culture of constructive engagement has > since evaporated. > > With due respect communist cadres, let's not resort to insults but demand > the NYDA to explain utterances made by its chair and take it from there. > There shouldn't be a tension when there is difference - a difference of > opinion is healthy for democracy. > > I remain, > Morgan Phaahla > > "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - > Joe Slovo > > --- On *Mon, 1/23/12, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on > Central Applications Office > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 5:26 AM > > Andile appears to be degenerating and faster: we must just determine > whether this is true to reality and investigate the causes of whatever > answer we come across. As young people we must ask: "Andile when did you > consult us to arrive at such determinations which clearly flow from your > brain and have definitely lost it completely?" We want central > applications for many reasons, to advance non-racial, non-sexist and > democratic South Africa in education too, to remove the discrimination > and barriers that are embedded in South Africa's geography of resources > in education, to standardize admission requirements and tuition of which > at the end we want free for students; and you, want, using our name, and > therefore behaving like a thug, the same things that the enemy wants. > Who do you actually represent, dear Mr Lungisa, our friend? You want > unions banned in the education system, for you the problem are unions, > exactly what the exploiters say. Who do you actually represent, in our > name, Mr Lungisa, our friend? What's wrong with u? The man has lost it, > he might be in the state of somnambulism. Who knows? > > -----Original Message----- > From: > [email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of > [email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:11 AM > To: > [email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on > Central Applications Office > > No wonder the NYDA has not done anything since its inception and CAO has > been very effective in KZN and events like the one @UJ can neva take > place in KZN because of an effective administration of applications... > > Sent from my Nokia Tablet > -----Original Message----- > From: Domza VC > Sent: 23/01/2012 07:00:59 > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on > Central Applications Office > > > YCLSA > > *YCLSA Media Release, 22 January 2012* > > > *Response to Comments on Central Applications Office by NYDA > Chairperson* > > > The Young Communist League of South Africa notes the disturbing, > reckless and defeatist comments by the National Youth Development Agency > > Chairperson Andile Lungisa on centralising the higher education > applications process going to be chaotic. > > This reckless commenting does not even address the alternative, it seeks > > to derail youth development of which he is expected to defend and > promote. The NYDA Chairperson must first understand the rationale of > calling for a central applications office in the context of access, the > rising applications and fees. As centralisation is not an end in itself > as some in society would seek to critic for its sake. > > The call for Central Applications Office is informed by the need to > regulate access centrally and remove the limitations set on access by > university administrators. This call goes a long way in reducing the > challenges faced by working class youth to access higher education. > > We cannot continue having different sets of requirements of access for > higher education courses accredited by the same authority. We further > cannot allow the market oriented fees that exclude the majority; making > higher education the privilege of the elite and only those working class > > youth who survive a skewed selection process. > > We urge Mr Lungisa to reserve his personal views in future as this > undermines the integrity of the agency that represents aspirations of > millions of working class youth. The agency is not a personal fiefdom > and when pronouncements are made by those in leadership, their views > must be considerate of such, as the Central Applications Office is a > relevant institution that will benefit the youth of mzantsi. > > > *Issued by YCLSA HQ > > Mangaliso Khonza > National Spokesperson > YCLSA [Ufasimba] > 083 617 5546 > * > > -- > You are subscribed. 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