He has become a champion of liberal ideas. His analysis does not start from the appearances and proceed deep into the essences but starts and ends with the appearances, a strike, results and so on.
Sent by AlexM -----Original Message----- From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:13:09 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on Central Applications Office Andile NOT Bandile... Comrade Alex, what has he become lately? On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:26 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Dear comrades, > > What must happen to a deployee who directly contravenes the movement's > policies? Bandile's conduct directly defies the 'Freedom Charter' and very > brand new, the 2009 elexions manifesto? It goes in the direct opposite. > > Yes there are weaknesses in the trade union movement how certain issues > are handled, not doubt about that. But if Andile's ridiculous formula was > to be enforced the NYDA itself should have been dissolved with immediate > effect just after it was established, it should have been dissolved > immediately just after Andile attacked the Central Applications Office > (CAO), SADTU and trade unions in the education system, by extension even > NEHAWU. But that would be tantamount to joining him in the path of > degeneration and liberal populism that always hold - "ban unions" - if > there are problems. > > This is the solution I personally would like to offer to my comrade > (Andile has been my comrade by the way since our days in the student > movement although in the last few tens of months I really don't know what > actually has attacked or captured my comrade). I have been in the union > movement for over 10 years now. I this period my appreciation of the > importance of unions and the challenges they face has been and continues to > be sharpened. I'm available to offer a workshop that includes focuses on > this. > > Dear comrades one to the rising challenges that the youth movement is > faced with, as reflected by the conduct and ideas championed through > comrade Andile, is the increasing dominance of neo/liberalism. Honestly > speaking what Andile had said is liberal. That's why the DA through its > youth what what jumped in to support him because in him they now have found > an agent. > > How must we analyse the problems in education. Well. It is human existence > that determines human consciousness rather than the other way around. Our > starting point should, therefore analyse the conditions of production (in > education that is teaching and learning) in which teachers find themselves. > Then we shall notice, that these are not the same to all teachers and we > will understand why teachers don't behave the same. For example, teachers > in extremely poor areas, such as Limpopo, KZN and EC don't behave the same > as teachers in very rich areas such as Waterkloof and Sandton in Gauteng. > The answers can't be sought from Andile's brain, but from the real material > process of production in which they work. Their organisational choices are > also not the same. The material process of production in which they work, > historically, both in terms of the current history as the direct outcome of > the past history in their dialectical connection, is influential. Learner > outcomes can't be understood differently. That's why when we wrote the RDP > we refused to be restricted to narrowing the definition of curriculum to > the content of teaching and learning, but we correctly included "the > environment in which teaching and learning take place, the forms of > assessment of teaching and learning outcomes, the resources available to > support and facilitate teaching and learning, strategies of learning and > teaching, the mode of delivery of teaching and learning, and language". A > loophole in each of all these, including, of course the content of learning > and teaching as part of what we called curriculum, will have a bearing on > the outcomes of both teaching and learning. Andile must ask: "What is the > difference in each one of these variables between Waterkloof Hoerskool in > Tshwane and Mang le Mang Senior Secondary School in Elias Motsoaledi, > Sekhukhune?" He will, if genuinely committed to transformation in > education, then ask a question: "What can we do to eliminate the > disparities?" Then he will be an ANC thinker, not what he has become > recently. > > Till next time! > > Sent by AlexM > ------------------------------ > *From: *Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> > *Sender: *[email protected] > *Date: *Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:07:47 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments > on Central Applications Office > > Comrade Morgan , > > I concur with what you have raised, the matter at hand and that he should > further dliberate in the context he raises this view. > > Its not the fisrt time we heard this matter being raised. I have to > disagree with Andile given my understanding of the issues within the > education system. I sincerely believe that teachers are as equally victims > as students/pupils are. I fail to graple with why teachers particulary > those in black communities should be subjected to the working conditions > they are currently working under. I believe that teachers have given > government this lea-way to abuse them and moreover allow certain > shortcomings to pass without interrogation > > there are schools with no basic services, which teacher is expected to > work in such appaling conditions? is it the black teacher? This is my bone > of contention. Black teachers are expected to perform miracles because > there were teachers under apartheid that did the same. Is the current > democratic dispensation NOT applicable to them? > > I believe that they are workers who equally have the right to a decent > living and the Labour relations act should also apply > > I think Andile should get a more informed understanding of the struggle of > teachers. but also the challenges of the educaion system, you can have a > festival of educatos, but if the content of education and the system is > flaw, it will not assist. we can't merely blame teachers for the education > crisis. Why is that its only the Minister that is applauded when there is a > pass rate increase whereas it is the teachers that commit and make this > possible...SADTU was hands on in 2010 despite their challenges and ensured > that the pass rate in 2010 was what it was. > > Gugu > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:43 AM, morgan phaahla > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I fully agree my chief that the platform he uses is ours. I also >> understand your reaction - some of our comrades' conduct can make us go >> haywire at times. They just don't understand the impact of their conduct in >> our movement and society at large. >> >> You'll agree with me that all deployed cadres are generally expected to >> rally behind a common programme of our movement. We monitor compliance by >> observation and any deviation in behaviour begets the recall of such a >> cadre. >> >> Until we reached a consensus about a cadre's conduct to be a point of >> division in the organisation, he/she will be afforded an opportunity to >> explain himself/herself in compliance with the general principles of >> natural justice. >> >> But this does not stop us from engaging with the issue being raised and >> articulate our position as a movement. I trust you will accept my plea for >> robust engagement and everything else will follow as a direct consequence. >> >> We must continue to strive to act in unity. >> >> Remain, >> Morgan Phaahla >> >> "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - >> Joe Slovo >> >> --- On *Mon, 1/23/12, [email protected] <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on >> Central Applications Office >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 12:23 PM >> >> >> Comrade Morgan I accept your intervention. But u see, the platform that >> Andile uses to advance his views is not his; it's ours. What do we call a >> person who makes use of a people's platform to advance private personal >> interests? >> >> Sent by AlexM >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *morgan phaahla <[email protected]> >> *Sender: *[email protected] >> *Date: *Mon, 23 Jan 2012 03:32:01 -0800 (PST) >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >> *Subject: *RE: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments >> on Central Applications Office >> >> Cde Alex, I don't think it would be correct to relegate cde Andile >> Lungisa to be "behaving like a thug". There is nothing criminal about >> expressing a different view. >> >> To this end, I'm of the view that the NYDA chair must be accorded an >> opportunity to explain himself and the rationale behind his call >> for "education to be de-unionised." >> >> Cde Andile has every right to have misgivings about the system but >> that does not warrant him to called names, no matter how much we disagree >> with his arguments. What is important is for us to engage with the >> issue being raised and not the person raising it. >> >> If we do the latter, cde Alex, we'll be degenerating ourselves and >> creating an impression that the culture of constructive engagement has >> since evaporated. >> >> With due respect communist cadres, let's not resort to insults but demand >> the NYDA to explain utterances made by its chair and take it from there. >> There shouldn't be a tension when there is difference - a difference of >> opinion is healthy for democracy. >> >> I remain, >> Morgan Phaahla >> >> "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - >> Joe Slovo >> >> --- On *Mon, 1/23/12, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on >> Central Applications Office >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 5:26 AM >> >> Andile appears to be degenerating and faster: we must just determine >> whether this is true to reality and investigate the causes of whatever >> answer we come across. As young people we must ask: "Andile when did you >> consult us to arrive at such determinations which clearly flow from your >> brain and have definitely lost it completely?" We want central >> applications for many reasons, to advance non-racial, non-sexist and >> democratic South Africa in education too, to remove the discrimination >> and barriers that are embedded in South Africa's geography of resources >> in education, to standardize admission requirements and tuition of which >> at the end we want free for students; and you, want, using our name, and >> therefore behaving like a thug, the same things that the enemy wants. >> Who do you actually represent, dear Mr Lungisa, our friend? You want >> unions banned in the education system, for you the problem are unions, >> exactly what the exploiters say. Who do you actually represent, in our >> name, Mr Lungisa, our friend? What's wrong with u? The man has lost it, >> he might be in the state of somnambulism. Who knows? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> [email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of >> [email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:11 AM >> To: >> [email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on >> Central Applications Office >> >> No wonder the NYDA has not done anything since its inception and CAO has >> been very effective in KZN and events like the one @UJ can neva take >> place in KZN because of an effective administration of applications... >> >> Sent from my Nokia Tablet >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Domza VC >> Sent: 23/01/2012 07:00:59 >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] YCLSA on NYDA Chairperson's Comments on >> Central Applications Office >> >> >> YCLSA >> >> *YCLSA Media Release, 22 January 2012* >> >> >> *Response to Comments on Central Applications Office by NYDA >> Chairperson* >> >> >> The Young Communist League of South Africa notes the disturbing, >> reckless and defeatist comments by the National Youth Development Agency >> >> Chairperson Andile Lungisa on centralising the higher education >> applications process going to be chaotic. >> >> This reckless commenting does not even address the alternative, it seeks >> >> to derail youth development of which he is expected to defend and >> promote. The NYDA Chairperson must first understand the rationale of >> calling for a central applications office in the context of access, the >> rising applications and fees. As centralisation is not an end in itself >> as some in society would seek to critic for its sake. >> >> The call for Central Applications Office is informed by the need to >> regulate access centrally and remove the limitations set on access by >> university administrators. This call goes a long way in reducing the >> challenges faced by working class youth to access higher education. >> >> We cannot continue having different sets of requirements of access for >> higher education courses accredited by the same authority. We further >> cannot allow the market oriented fees that exclude the majority; making >> higher education the privilege of the elite and only those working class >> >> youth who survive a skewed selection process. >> >> We urge Mr Lungisa to reserve his personal views in future as this >> undermines the integrity of the agency that represents aspirations of >> millions of working class youth. The agency is not a personal fiefdom >> and when pronouncements are made by those in leadership, their views >> must be considerate of such, as the Central Applications Office is a >> relevant institution that will benefit the youth of mzantsi. >> >> >> *Issued by YCLSA HQ >> >> Mangaliso Khonza >> National Spokesperson >> YCLSA [Ufasimba] >> 083 617 5546 >> * >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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