tuki you have simplified and correctly captured nothing else but the truth.Vanguard short cognitive vision is a dominant challenge within the organisation.Vavi is correct on his analysis regard the current political discourse.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I really do not see a problem with NUMSA telling their members that they > must go to their respective branches and influence on the type of > leadership the ANC must have amongst other things, NUMSA has probably feel > that their interests are not being taken care of as workers. > > I do not see how different it is from the communists telling their members > to swell the ranks of the anc and influence policies so that the ANC policy > positions are working class biased > > We must also acknowledge that Cloete understands how the ANC works and > that leadership can only be influenced in branches of the ANC hence the > assertion that NUMSA members must participate in their branches > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:32:32 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > Hahahaha! Gugu > > Yah indeed you give me hard time I must say, at the same you sharpen my > critical thinking which of course I appreciate I guess I would have best > day ever. > > Thanks for reinvigoration. > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:36:35 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > You must appreciate that a woman is giving u a hard time so early in the > morning!! LOL!!! > > Some men would "kill" for it!! > > I totally understand, but I think introspection by ANC cadres is long > overdue, some of these discipline issues could have also been long avoided > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:17:16 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > Agg Gugu! > > Principle is we need to guard against this worrying trends which Trade > Unions become opportunistic about the aspects of workers to negate ANC > leadership. > > Please Gugu I know you do understand I must say in this current form of > struggle shopstewards needs to have persuasive skill than to be rigid on > traditional character of unions cause system are there. > > Still Vanguard! > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:21:56 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > So why aren't u reprimanding nehawu? > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:04:19 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > Yes Gugu > > There is no dispute about reference made. But until we take note that ANC > has broad mandate than COSATU and that ANC leads governs then it should > also assess the demands of workers against interest of either its members > and since shopstewards wants to assume the task of labour brokers > government has resolved the matter correctly that there should be regulated > especially to advance the objectives of NDR! > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:09:05 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > But the ANC is in government vanguard! What they decide impacts directly > at them. E..g. The issue of labour brokers, unions want a total ban; its a > labour policy issue and they rely on the ANC to advance some of their views > on their behalf(through the alliance) > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 05:49:46 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > No Cde Gugu! > > For them to pronounce otherwise would be accepted cause ANC is driven by > the objectives of NDR, it would be wrong to assume perception that ANC it > has been coerced through media by Trade Unions which they affiliated to > COSATU which is in alliance with ANC! > > Imagine if branches of ANC discuss leadership of Trade Unions, what would > happen??? > > I pause > > Vanguard! > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:48:08 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > NUMSA is a workers formation and any policies or decisions taken by the > ANC led government affects the. If they believe there serious short > comings, why should it be dictated to them how they engage and other > organisations for that matter. My concern is consistency within our > movement; if the succession debate should not be open then that principle > should apply across the board-there are provinces which went to the mail > and guardian pronouncing their preferences, but they were not reprimanded > due to the fact they agreed with the current leadership , but if the view > is discerning seemingly there is prompt reaction-comrades principle should > not be diluted > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:46:32 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > Gugu, that's beside the point. The issue here is the principle of an > organised formation which claims its members have dual membership of the > ANC and yet goes out to pronounce on the ANC's democratically elected > leadership outside of the ANC's processes. Whether that pronouncement is > for or against the current leadership is neither here nor there. > > In my view such utterances can only sow division and are downright > factional and hence the SG is correct in his assertion that this is very > dangerous. I would also like to know in which ANC branches does the top 5 > leadership of Numsa belong to, as I'm yet to see them in Regional or > Provincial ANC activities! > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:51:25 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > And a question was asked: had NUMSA said they agree with the current > leadership, would there have been such an outcry? > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: tom mhlanga <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:25:08 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > This is the reason why I have great confidence in the SG's leadership > capacity. His ability to clarify matter with informed views is want > the ANC needs at the moment. I dont know if Karl Cloete was speaking > on behalf of NUMSA when he uttered such statement, but my view is that > he is being opportunistic. It is very dangerous for leadership of the > alliance to utter such statement(s) in public without even consulting > each other on such matters. We hope Numsa will in future follow proper > chanels to air their dissenting views with the ruling party rather > than going to the media. > > AMANDLA > > On 2/27/12, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The New Age > > > > > > *ANC at no one's mercy * > > > > > > *Sapa, The New Age, Johannesburg, 27 February 2012 * > > > > It was dangerous to assume the ANC was at anyone's mercy, party > > secretary-general Gwede Mantashe said on Monday. > > > > "When people begin to be bold about what needs to be changed and what > > should be said in the ANC, it's an exaggeration of the role of > > interaction of allies," Mantashe said. > > > > He was briefing reporters on the sidelines of the party's national > > executive committee meeting in Centurion. > > > > The National Union of Metalworkers (Numsa) said at the weekend the > > ruling party was going against its own policies by not embracing > > nationalisation. Numsa was one of the proponents of nationalisation and > > land expropriation without compensation. > > > > The union became the first organised formation to call for President > > Jacob Zuma and the rest of the African National Congress's leadership to > > be changed in the party's elective conference, to be held in > > Bloemfontein in December. > > > > Numsa's deputy general-secretary Karl Cloete was quoted by SABC news on > > Saturday as saying: "They have not been able to drive the implementation > > of the Polokwane resolutions and therefore we are very clear that we > > will, in our branches of the ANC, make sure that this current ANC NEC > > does not return." > > > > He was referring to the ANC's last elective conference, held in > > Polokwane in 2007, at which Zuma was elected party president. > > > > Mantashe described this as "a dangerous and an adventurous position" by > > Numsa. > > > > "I think we need to make an appeal to everybody to never make that > > dangerous assumption that it's them who exist, and the ANC is at the > > mercy of everybody else," he said. > > > > "It doesn't work that way. There is no delegation in the contract of the > > ANC called a Numsa delegation. There is no such a delegation at the ANC > > elective conference." > > > > Mantashe said the union would be invited as a delegation of observers > > within the Congress of SA Trade Unions. He said unions, league and > > alliance members would constitute only 10 percent of the delegation in > > Bloemfontein. > > > > Ninety percent of delegates would be ANC branch members and would > > discuss and amend policies and elect leaders. > > > > "Observers can sneak in at night, talk to that and that, but if they are > > not members of the ANC that influence is limited to lobbying." > > > > Numsa had since backtracked on its statement, saying it had not taken > > any vote of confidence against the ANC's current leadership. > > > > On Sunday, Numsa general secretary Irvin Jim said the union would use > > the party's democratic processes, ahead of the ANC elective conference, > > to ensure that leaders who represented the interests of the working > > class were pushed through party structures. > > > > Mantashe said the thinking behind changing the character of the ANC was > > nothing but a myth. > > > > "Don't elevate a myth of takeover of the ANC into a reality." > > > > He said ANC branches were allowed to discuss and assess the performance > > of leaders. 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