Tuki and Senzo! Yes comrades if resolution was to say comrades must go and influence I would have not engaged but as for current leadership needs to be changed is totally wrong especially when SA Citizen start to have confidence in him!
At point ANC would tell who should emerge at the ranks of workers and they would be accused of being bought by tenders and so forth. Unions needs reconsider their roles and act like what Karl Marx warned against. Vanguard! Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: senzo ncongolo <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:57:12 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe tuki you have simplified and correctly captured nothing else but the truth.Vanguard short cognitive vision is a dominant challenge within the organisation.Vavi is correct on his analysis regard the current political discourse. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I really do not see a problem with NUMSA telling their members that they > must go to their respective branches and influence on the type of > leadership the ANC must have amongst other things, NUMSA has probably feel > that their interests are not being taken care of as workers. > > I do not see how different it is from the communists telling their members > to swell the ranks of the anc and influence policies so that the ANC policy > positions are working class biased > > We must also acknowledge that Cloete understands how the ANC works and > that leadership can only be influenced in branches of the ANC hence the > assertion that NUMSA members must participate in their branches > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:32:32 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > Hahahaha! Gugu > > Yah indeed you give me hard time I must say, at the same you sharpen my > critical thinking which of course I appreciate I guess I would have best > day ever. > > Thanks for reinvigoration. > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:36:35 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > You must appreciate that a woman is giving u a hard time so early in the > morning!! LOL!!! > > Some men would "kill" for it!! > > I totally understand, but I think introspection by ANC cadres is long > overdue, some of these discipline issues could have also been long avoided > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:17:16 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > Agg Gugu! > > Principle is we need to guard against this worrying trends which Trade > Unions become opportunistic about the aspects of workers to negate ANC > leadership. > > Please Gugu I know you do understand I must say in this current form of > struggle shopstewards needs to have persuasive skill than to be rigid on > traditional character of unions cause system are there. > > Still Vanguard! > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:21:56 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > So why aren't u reprimanding nehawu? > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:04:19 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > Yes Gugu > > There is no dispute about reference made. But until we take note that ANC > has broad mandate than COSATU and that ANC leads governs then it should > also assess the demands of workers against interest of either its members > and since shopstewards wants to assume the task of labour brokers > government has resolved the matter correctly that there should be regulated > especially to advance the objectives of NDR! > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:09:05 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > But the ANC is in government vanguard! What they decide impacts directly > at them. E..g. The issue of labour brokers, unions want a total ban; its a > labour policy issue and they rely on the ANC to advance some of their views > on their behalf(through the alliance) > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 05:49:46 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > No Cde Gugu! > > For them to pronounce otherwise would be accepted cause ANC is driven by > the objectives of NDR, it would be wrong to assume perception that ANC it > has been coerced through media by Trade Unions which they affiliated to > COSATU which is in alliance with ANC! > > Imagine if branches of ANC discuss leadership of Trade Unions, what would > happen??? > > I pause > > Vanguard! > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:48:08 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > NUMSA is a workers formation and any policies or decisions taken by the > ANC led government affects the. If they believe there serious short > comings, why should it be dictated to them how they engage and other > organisations for that matter. My concern is consistency within our > movement; if the succession debate should not be open then that principle > should apply across the board-there are provinces which went to the mail > and guardian pronouncing their preferences, but they were not reprimanded > due to the fact they agreed with the current leadership , but if the view > is discerning seemingly there is prompt reaction-comrades principle should > not be diluted > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:46:32 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > Gugu, that's beside the point. The issue here is the principle of an > organised formation which claims its members have dual membership of the > ANC and yet goes out to pronounce on the ANC's democratically elected > leadership outside of the ANC's processes. Whether that pronouncement is > for or against the current leadership is neither here nor there. > > In my view such utterances can only sow division and are downright > factional and hence the SG is correct in his assertion that this is very > dangerous. I would also like to know in which ANC branches does the top 5 > leadership of Numsa belong to, as I'm yet to see them in Regional or > Provincial ANC activities! > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:51:25 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > And a question was asked: had NUMSA said they agree with the current > leadership, would there have been such an outcry? > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: tom mhlanga <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:25:08 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > This is the reason why I have great confidence in the SG's leadership > capacity. His ability to clarify matter with informed views is want > the ANC needs at the moment. I dont know if Karl Cloete was speaking > on behalf of NUMSA when he uttered such statement, but my view is that > he is being opportunistic. It is very dangerous for leadership of the > alliance to utter such statement(s) in public without even consulting > each other on such matters. We hope Numsa will in future follow proper > chanels to air their dissenting views with the ruling party rather > than going to the media. > > AMANDLA > > On 2/27/12, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The New Age > > > > > > *ANC at no one's mercy * > > > > > > *Sapa, The New Age, Johannesburg, 27 February 2012 * > > > > It was dangerous to assume the ANC was at anyone's mercy, party > > secretary-general Gwede Mantashe said on Monday. > > > > "When people begin to be bold about what needs to be changed and what > > should be said in the ANC, it's an exaggeration of the role of > > interaction of allies," Mantashe said. > > > > He was briefing reporters on the sidelines of the party's national > > executive committee meeting in Centurion. > > > > The National Union of Metalworkers (Numsa) said at the weekend the > > ruling party was going against its own policies by not embracing > > nationalisation. Numsa was one of the proponents of nationalisation and > > land expropriation without compensation. > > > > The union became the first organised formation to call for President > > Jacob Zuma and the rest of the African National Congress's leadership to > > be changed in the party's elective conference, to be held in > > Bloemfontein in December. > > > > Numsa's deputy general-secretary Karl Cloete was quoted by SABC news on > > Saturday as saying: "They have not been able to drive the implementation > > of the Polokwane resolutions and therefore we are very clear that we > > will, in our branches of the ANC, make sure that this current ANC NEC > > does not return." > > > > He was referring to the ANC's last elective conference, held in > > Polokwane in 2007, at which Zuma was elected party president. > > > > Mantashe described this as "a dangerous and an adventurous position" by > > Numsa. > > > > "I think we need to make an appeal to everybody to never make that > > dangerous assumption that it's them who exist, and the ANC is at the > > mercy of everybody else," he said. > > > > "It doesn't work that way. There is no delegation in the contract of the > > ANC called a Numsa delegation. There is no such a delegation at the ANC > > elective conference." > > > > Mantashe said the union would be invited as a delegation of observers > > within the Congress of SA Trade Unions. He said unions, league and > > alliance members would constitute only 10 percent of the delegation in > > Bloemfontein. > > > > Ninety percent of delegates would be ANC branch members and would > > discuss and amend policies and elect leaders. > > > > "Observers can sneak in at night, talk to that and that, but if they are > > not members of the ANC that influence is limited to lobbying." > > > > Numsa had since backtracked on its statement, saying it had not taken > > any vote of confidence against the ANC's current leadership. > > > > On Sunday, Numsa general secretary Irvin Jim said the union would use > > the party's democratic processes, ahead of the ANC elective conference, > > to ensure that leaders who represented the interests of the working > > class were pushed through party structures. > > > > Mantashe said the thinking behind changing the character of the ANC was > > nothing but a myth. > > > > "Don't elevate a myth of takeover of the ANC into a reality." > > > > He said ANC branches were allowed to discuss and assess the performance > > of leaders. However, nominations would only be opened in October. > > > > "Discussions are not just banned. We talk about it," said Mantashe, > > adding that Numsa was merely voicing an opinion. > > > > He said union members, who were also card-carrying members of the ANC, > > would only speak as ANC members in Bloemfontein. > > > > -Sapa > > > > *From: http://www.thenewage.co.za/44646-1007-53-ANC_at_no_ones_mercy* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > > > -- > > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply > to > > this message. > > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery > > options, pages, files and membership. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email > [email protected] . > > You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to > > put anything in the message part. 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