I wish to share in some of the sentiments uttered in the above dialogue, and in doing so I must state that I share the frustrations of cde Dominic on the diminishing of certain race groups within the ANC and the alliance in general. Perhaps it will be more important for us to probe the causes of why white South Africans and Afrikanners have diminished within the ranks of the ANC.
It is also important to state that the recruitment of whites, coloureds, indians or any other race groups, for that matter into the ANC is a matter which should be looked into importantly, more so because the ANC is a unitary organisation. I also however wish to caution that these recruitments ought to take place within normal confinements of movement. What I mean to is that; in their recruitment, no one should be made feel any special. We have to come to the realisation that time for discussions is over now. Yes we can’t use a blanket approach when looking into such issues. Yes; not all white people benefited from apartheid, and yes it is incorrect to specualate without full knowledge of the contents of the discussion. I want to agree with Gugu that for one reconciliation in this country is a one way road, why are we continuously being fed this nation building theme thina? We also want to believe that such meetings would yield positive outcomes for the good of the country, however our collection of history tells us that it would be absurd to believe such. No we are not pessimists, and no we are not anti transformation; however we also can’t sit back and allow our country to run to the dogs, we also can’t sit back and allow majority black people to eat left overs from what our leaders and white monopoly capital have consumed. Perhaps it will be important for the impoverished of this country to re-organise themselves under a different banner. Perhaps, then would we be taken serious. It is also important to be critical of our organisations’ actions, particularly towards the previously disadvantaged. Today the life of a black man is worthless in comparison to that of any race group, in this country, in fact even in comparison to rhino’s. Yes we are angry! We have a right to be! Why? Because the transformation of an elite few should never be equated to that of a nation. I refuse to believe that after 18 years; the best a black government could do is to develop a green paper on land reform, I also refuse to believe that after such a long time the best we could do was matchbox houses. Yes there has been a lot of improvements too, that we can’t deny. “Good ideology will thus be reduced to bad ideology in a sense that it is divorced from reality” Nevertheless the decsion to sit with the Afrikaaner community does not sit well with me; more so if you consider that when our communities have to resort to protest actions before their voices are heard, if they are even heard at all. When black communities feel the need to raise issues affecting their societies through protests, our very own elected representatives turn around and call it “illegitimate criminal activities that are inspired by a few who are purpoted to have hidden agendas.” “There is violence in condemning thousands of millions to poverty and starvation in a country overflowing with wealth” I thank you all Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "Sibusiso W. Nkosi" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 12:15:02 To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement Anc desparate for the white vote, SMH..... [email protected] wrote: >Black people are addicted to white supremacy; they derive a sense of >importance in being "called to a meeting" by the white groups; it is >absolutely fluttering. They love discussion documents better than they do land >acquisition for the majority. White people, on the other hand, love the land. >They continue to acquire more of it and they keep black people from it. They >are running the food security of this country; black people are running >nothing. While black people tear each other apart debating ideology and who >should succeed whom, the mines and minerals receive even stiffer protection in >the hands of liberalised capitalist elite with the cunning face of the >British. And what do the black people continue to do? Debate, debate and >debate...about the things they do not own. As if to say 'we do not want them >for our people; we want them for a few of us and the majority of us can just >carry on debating.' It is so sad. > >Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sender: [email protected] >Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 04:11:40 >To: <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement > >I think if we can take the document titled Colonialism of a Special Type we >would have a clear view and a better analysis towards this event. This >document without going to much detail actually recognizes the need for >inclusiveness of smaller groups especially the Afikaaner community and it is >the responsibility of the ANC to meet with these groups and discuss any issue >which they might have which would lead to nation building. > >We also have to be receptive over the CODESA negotiations and the views of >those who refute any talks of this nature. The fact is those negotiations did >not fully express or up to a great extent the plight of those who have been >disenfranchised for many years while it it the very same people who oppressed >them. There are therefore lessons to be learned, according to a book by >Vladimir Shubin titled ANC a View from Moscow, during the Wankie operation, >Chris Hani raised certain views sharply against the ANC leadership. He >questioned them of certain status they where acquiring for themselves and >their family members and close associate from mainly the then government. He >questioned the salaries and stipends, benefits they receive, cars they would >get, how children of leaders would be sent to oversees universities to study >while other MK and comrades where in exile. I suppose he was concern highly so >with the causal relationship and meetings of ANC leaders with those who are >perceived to be enemies then, and how the ANC leaders would benefit out of >these relations. It is no wonder then that the current decent would surface >when such events take place. > >I think time and patience has a way of bringing clarity. We have to trust our >decisions and that of our leaders based on the relevant theoretical material >at hand that all efforts are for nation building and as a congress movement we >hold the capacity to take any decision that would make the socioeconomic >standards of the disenfranchised better at the Mangaung conference in >particular. > >Regards >Sbu >Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sender: [email protected] >Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:13:59 >To: <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement > >I really wish to differ with you cde Mthimkulu; you see the ANC has, for 18 >years done what you think would not happen in that meeting; protecting the >rights and privelages of those who benefited from aphartheid. > >It is important to face up to empirical evidence before us, social >transformation has not been held up entirely by those that we think have. >Infact the biggest holders of social transformation are our very own elected >representatives, whom have viewed public office as a vehicle to amass wealth >for themselves and their families. > >This meeting, in my view, was more of another Codesa of some sort. Where Black >leaders assure Afrikaaners that despite all the fury surrounding land reform >and nationalisation the ANC would not be making any drastic policy changes >that would see them losing their wealth etc. It was more to entrench >confidence to the Afrikaaners that no matter how much discussions take place >at the Conference in Mangaung the ANC would continue to ensure that all rights >of all citizens in society are protected. > >Sadly Black South Africa will one day wake up to that realisation. The >realisation that no matter how much we talk and discuss, material change in >our societies will forever be mirrored in policy documents. Whilst it >continues to secure 3/4 of its total votes from black people; part of its top >priorities upon re-election is the appeasement of all the minority groups that >differed to its election. > >Yes we may choose to ignore what is before us now, or we may pretend that it's >not happening, but reality is: It is our children and our childrens children >that will continue to suffer from the injustices created by white people upon >their settlement in this land. It does not take profound knowledge of history >to see this. > >I thank you all. > >S.C. Makananda >Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Mthimkulu Mashiya" <[email protected]> >Sender: [email protected] >Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:18:19 >To: <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement > >I sympathise with and understand the uneasiness expressed by cde Ngoako Matsha >in an earlier posting. I want to believe however that the SG, TG and the >other leaders are not going to be hoodwinked into protecting privileges of >those who benefited from apartheid. > >There are those who are in denial about benefiting from apartheid and who want >us to believe they got to their privileged position on merit. These are very >people who block & frustrate all efforts and actions aimed at social >transformation. > >The ANC's historic mission to unite the people of South Africa must not be >abused! >Mthimkulu Mashiya >Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > >-----Original Message----- >From: VC <[email protected]> >Sender: [email protected] >Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 18:10:16 >To: <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement > > >ANC > >*ANC Media Release, 8 March 2012* > > >*ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit Statement* > > >A successful summit was held today for the whole day at the Protea >Balalaika Hotel in Sandton. It was a well-attended summit with positive >outcomes. > >A senior NEC delegation of the African National Congress met today with >leaders from a wide ranging group of Afrikaans organisations, including >representatives of 19 organisations, academics, intellectuals, business, >religious, cultural and other community leaders. The ANC was led by its >Secretary General, Mr Gwede Mantashe, Treasurer General, Mathews Phosa, >other NEC members, Ministers, Renier Schoeman and Daryl Swanepoel. > >The meeting was characterised by frank, open and direct discussion, and >took place in an honest and constructive atmosphere. All parties >expressed their appreciation for the platform and enthusiasm to be >involved in the envisaged process. The process will also be expanded to >include other organisations that were not present at today's summit. > >The meeting identified a number of priority areas dear to the Afrikaans >speaking community which require discussion and debate leading to >consensus. This included, amongst others, the question of education and >training, land reform, economic empowerment, as well as language, >linguistic & cultural rights. > >The Afrikaans Dialogue, organised under the auspices of the ANC >programme for an inclusive South Africa, was called in order to take the >discussion of nation-building, reconciliation and inclusiveness forward, >which took place at the request of the NEC and in response to the >progress made over the last two years in this regard. 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