Dear Cdes, This matter that is discussed here is important.
I think this is a matter of organize, organize, and organize!!! These might be learner/employees in terms of the Skills Development Act(SDA)of 1998, s18(2). They must have 'employment contracts' which are registered with the relevant Sector Education and Training Authority (Seta). When they have a 'contract of employment', it is arguable that they are employees also and they may be entitled to join who might accept them as 'associate members' with limited 'representation rights' if their constitutions allows it. And can represent, after organizing, them in disputes with the 'employer' in the workplace or CCMA or further. Or still represent them in disputes as Cosatu has done in Sdumo vs Rustenberg Platimum Mines, and is doing now against the Leon Louw's and Franscis Kendall's 'neo-liberal neo-conservative rabid free marketeers of the Free Market Foundation's attack against unions and collective bargaining, as an interested party even if they are not its members. WFTU Africa will be dealing with the Skills Development Act and related matters, particularly disputes, this coming Sunday at Numsa's VMCC in Newtown from 9 am until 1pm. We will post the relevant notice in this CU and other available spaces. Regards Vuyo 'Doc' Bikitsha WFTU Africa Subject: Re: [CU] Student trainings Thanks CV The issue here is the environment where students are working, when workers or employees are not organized themselves, these students will find them in this situation. The employer has a huge responsibility even if there are terms and conditions, the students will not be able to get their qualifications due to the fact that they need to get reports of what they were doing besides the papers from the employers. The companies with good reputations does not take these students. The question is why? Amandla Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ________________________________ From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 09:48:55 +0200 To: Group Communist University<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] Student trainings What I mean is, I think you should organise the students, themselves If you are only in the position of voluntary do-gooder, then you can be embarrassed at some stage. There may even be a reasonable explanation for this situation. Anyway, warehouse work is honest work and it teaches you about systems. So long as it does not go on forever, it may be good experience for anybody. In general, government can assist an organised people, but if the people are not organised, it will be very difficult for the government to carry every single problem. How do you think government will be able to represent every single worker to every single employer, if the workers themselves are not organised? It is the same with these students. Organise them, to speak for themselves, if possible. VC On 26 June 2013 09:21, Sazi Mpehlo <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I will try to take pictures and draft a report and email it to his office. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:18 AM To: Group Communist University Subject: Re: [CU] Student trainings I think you need to organise first, before you phone Dr Blade. VC On 26 June 2013 08:34, Sazi Mpehlo <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Good day Comrades Comrades I see government is giving companies to train students but no one is monitoring these students I am in Dilema were I am working an Electrical student is working at packaging the mechanical students in the Warehouse,now I dont understand what is happenin exactly because these students are confused and I am also confused and disappointed I asked them is there anyone that is monitoring you or this so called work experience training they say No,anyone I need Dr Blade office numbers in Pta.. -- -- You are subscribed to the "Communist University" e-mail forum. 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