Dear Thabo Cde you have undertaken a challenging task of locating the context of Cde Dlamini's prase, but it is still not clear to me. You sound like someone speaking in tonques.Cde Dlamini was requested to resign for failing to execute his responsibilities, ie uniting Cosatu. He did not resign. He was requested to call a special congress so that he can be removed. He refused. He was advised by the ANC SG not to persue Vavi as it would be costly, he also put his feet down. Now he said anyone who want his position must come and take it. This is a parable. He was actually speaking to someone who did not attend that shop steward council. Devenish lamented that " despite perpetual kill... the ghost refuses to die".I suppose he has lost the ground and he forsees a court defeat.The principle of majority rule which he aluded to should be affirmed through voting.
This is my personal view. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/2/14, Thabo Thwala <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Most painful time for COSATU - Dlamini To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 6:40 AM Dear Mpho Comrade, do you know this thing called "context"? Always, when you read something, make extensive use of the context within which it is said for you to understand it better. In all truth and fact your complaint is just too petty and exposes your attitude towards President S'dumo. Obviously the president cannot be the giver of positions in Cosatu as he knows he was elected. The context here is that the president had to show the pressures that come with being a Cosatu president. Many people will view such a position merely as a position of power, but thanks to President S'dumo for telling people that it comes with major responsibility and pressure. So, I advise you comrade to always focus on the context of a statement before you comment. On 02/04/2014, Mpho Lebese <[email protected]> wrote: > With due respect; and as my Union affiliated to COSATU: Aaagghhhh!!! > Dlamini! > > I find it difficult to continue reading this, I'll qoute my president, the > Honourable Sdumo Dlamini; > > > > "If you want this position come and take it, I will give it to you." > > > > It is indeed the most painful time for COSATU, I agree. You see, this > careless phrase by Pres Sdumo, is an indication of a person who believes > that he owns the position of COSATU presidency, hence he fools himself and > people like him that he will give a position to any person who wants it!! > That's preposterous!!! He didn't put himself there, he was made president > by us, members in good standing, and we pay his salary. > > > > So please Pres Sdumo, stop saying these irresponsible statements, we are > not stupids!! > > > > This is my view and not of a Union I belong to... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:53 PM, VC <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> [image: IOL new.jpg] >> >> >> >> >> >> *Most painful time for COSATU: Dlamini* >> >> >> >> >> >> *Genevieve Quintal, Sapa, IOL, Johannesburg, 1 April 2014* >> >> >> >> COSATU is going through a difficult and painful period, the trade union >> federation's president Sidumo Dlamini said on Tuesday. >> >> >> >> "As the president of COSATU (this is) something I would never wish on my >> worst enemy," he told NEHAWU members at a Gauteng shop stewards council >> in >> Johannesburg. >> >> >> >> "If you want this position come and take it, I will give it to you." >> >> >> >> Dlamini said it was no luxury to be president of the Congress of SA Trade >> Unions. >> >> >> >> "This is the most painful period the federation is going through." >> >> >> >> COSATU has been at loggerheads with its biggest affiliate, the National >> Union of Metalworkers of SA (NUMSA), over the suspension of the trade >> union >> federation's general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi. >> >> >> >> NUMSA and Vavi have taken COSATU to court in a bid to have the suspension >> set aside. A judgment in the case is expected soon. >> >> >> >> Vavi is also facing an internal disciplinary hearing, expected to be held >> next month. >> >> >> >> In August last year, COSATU said Vavi had been put on special leave >> pending the outcome of a disciplinary hearing relating to his affair with >> a >> junior employee. In July, the employee accused him of rape. He said they >> had an affair. The woman subsequently withdrew a sexual harassment >> complaint against him. >> >> >> >> In the aftermath of the suspension NUMSA and nine other COSATU affiliates >> called on COSATU to hold a Special National Congress where new leadership >> would be elected. >> >> >> >> NUMSA accused Dlamini and other national office bearers of manipulating >> processes that were used to suspend Vavi. The union resolved, after >> holding >> its own special congress, not to support the African National Congress in >> this year's elections. >> >> >> >> Dlamini said Vavi's suspension had divided workers for two reasons. >> >> >> >> "There are those who have decided they will respect the internal COSATU >> process and said they will not speak publicly about what is happening. >> This >> is the right thing to do," he said. >> >> >> >> "Then there is a second set of people who do not care how much damage it >> does COSATU to talk publicly." >> >> >> >> Dlamini also dismissed those who said they were neutral in the situation. >> >> >> >> "In a class battle there is no neutrality," he said. >> >> >> >> He explained to National Education, Health and Allied Workers Union >> members how the decision to suspend Vavi in the central executive >> committee >> meeting was taken through a majority rule and not an actual vote, as >> required in COSATU's constitution. >> >> >> >> This was a long-standing practice in the trade union federation. >> >> >> >> "People who have been leading over so many years have been implementing >> decisions in the same way 'by majority rule'," Dlamini said. >> >> >> >> "That has changed now. You must now vote for everything." >> >> >> >> Turning to the debate over the cost of security upgrades to President >> Jacob Zuma's private home in Nkandla, KwaZulu-Natal, Dlamini said Zuma >> had >> not stolen public funds. >> >> >> >> "(Public Protector) Thuli Madonsela does not say Zuma stole the R246 >> million people are talking about. >> >> >> >> "(She) confirms that the president was not giving instructions to anyone >> doing work there." >> >> >> >> Dlamini said despite this people still blamed Zuma. >> >> >> >> "People of South Africa pretend that Thuli Madonsela said the opposite." >> >> >> >> Sapa >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: >> http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/most-painful-time-for-COSATU-dlamini-1.1669546#.Uzrr4PmSyD8 >> <http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/most-painful-time-for-cosatu-dlamini-1.1669546#.Uzrr4PmSyD8>* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 9622 (20140401) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> -- >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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