Derrick:
what you say is correct. As a user of both YDL and Ubuntu I need to point out that the information you provide on Ubuntu is incorrect. Currently Ubuntu uses the following:

Kernel 2.6.15
Gnome 2.14
KDE 4.3.5
X.org 7.0
and Firefox 1.5
        G++


On 28-Jun-06, at 12:35 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:

Hi Ted:

You are probably very well aware how tricky your question is. One way to interpret your question is that you expect TSS to provide the latest available KDE environment? By the way, isn't that the job of the KDE folks themselves? Remember that KDE, like many other Linux projects are comprised of volunteers. TSS is a commercial entity.

Some projects are better organized and current than others, likewise for commercial entities. Where they differ is at what point the commercial entities decide to move ahead in choosing what will go into their respective commercial products and why. Each commercial company makes their own decisions regarding how much longer they will wait for a certain project to be complete as a version. Occasionally a project will be moving to a newer version just at or after a point where a company had to decide to move and use what was already available as their product's usefulness in the market place is recognized as maximal within a certain time frame. Each company maximizes the utility of their product for a certain market place. It may be that users of that product may also see value in a company production, but usually these users (you and I) have different values of what that value is than the company or other corporate associates are even aware of. Our own contribution, or wrinkle to the above are our choices regarding what we as individuals want. If we want something, fortunately we can create or get it ourselves.

Exploring this is interesting because it can help highlight the value TSS or any other commercial entity provides in comparison to Debian and others.

Let's look at some distributions, ok?

Linux kernel KDE Gnome X.org Firefox and Thunderbird YDL 4.1 2.6.15-rc5 3.4.2 2.10 6.8.2 1.5 1.5 Debian 3.1 2.6.8 3.3 2.8 1.0.4 1.0.2 Ubuntu They are built upon Debian (we can consider this the same for them).

I provided the information regarding Ubuntu and Debian because they are known to users of this list as well. You could research beyond this with commercial vendors and others but I believe it is enough. It is true that one can install, and modify the standard package provided to whatever is current, but the dirty secret is that packages are provided so that they work together. I rather have advanced packages which work together already at boot, thank you. I'll mix and match on my own from that point.

Maybe the link here can help:

http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/customers/

Choose any one of the icons, and remember to take a look at Indi -- for Individuals.

Whatever you decide, you can always participate here.

Good Luck...

On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Ted Goranson wrote:

In an upcoming shift of machines, I am considering putting YDL 4. 1 on my 1G 17" PowerBook G4.

I have 4.0 on my Pismo and am discouraged about how old KDE is and that yum never touches something active.

This message is about YDL.net. A couple years ago when I asked, folks said it wasn't worth much.

Is it now? If I pay the money, will it be a reliable, robust and continuously rich upgrade/update source for a desktop KDE?

Best, Ted
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