Dear Ed, It might be fun to take a look at the OS/X on the MacBook, Windows XP AS A CLIENT AND A LINUX OF YOUR CHOICE ALSO AS A CLIENT. I BELIEVE THAT IT HAS THAT CAPABILITY. IT IS A TRUE MULTITASKING OS. As systems men that is what we are looking for.
RSN On Feb 1, 2008 6:11 PM, Edward Montfoort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I appreciate your help Derick. Thanks alot. And of course you're right, we > are in a constant learning and it definitly would be a challenge for me, as > someone always wanting to learn a lot more. Whatever difficulties may come > I'll work them out. > > Cheers. > > > On Feb 1, 2008 3:35 AM, Derick Centeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My comments follow yours for clarity. > > > > On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Edward Montfoort wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the info so far. So it definitly would be possible to run > > Linux as the only OS on a macbook pro for what I can understand?. > > > > > > Sure. Just decide which Linux you want to run on your Intel computer. > > Understand that each version of Linux for example Fedora, Debian or > > Slackware have their unique instructions on how to do this. Some versions > > of Linux can each be developed in such a way to run from a USB drive! Way > > cool, for taking over an Intel box and making it do what you want. Don't > > kid yourself though, each step in the process is a good deal of work. > > > > Remember also that although the programming skills needed to program > > either the Intel or PowerPC/Cell are similar their application within each > > processor requires a sophisticated and clear comprehension of implementing > > one's skills so that the each architecture exemplifies it's unique > > strengths. Anything less of course cannot be relied upon as representative > > of what each processor can actually do. > > > > Let me be clear here; it may take years to develop these mix of skills. > > One can pursue the process of self-education via various means traditional > > college and academia, online references, etc. Be positive and consistent in > > learning and the projects one engages upon will become better tools in > > helping one reach another stage. > > > > The reason why I am asking this kind of information is because I have a > > project in mind. You all might consider insane, but insanity is sanity, > > keeps us alive. > > > > > > Hey, don't worry. A lot of people here have been wondering about me for > > years. Chuckles, aside thinking differently is what one must do when > > exploring work not only within Linux but Linux running on a Cell or PowerPC. > > This is very definitely the place for those who think and examine for > > themselves. > > > > What I want to do is the following: I want to make use of clustering > > capabilities using a macbook pro and a Playstation 3, and doing it so, to > > proof that virtualizing mac os x on linux would actually be faster than > > using a mac pro. There would be no distros issues regarding clustering? > > > > > > This is a multi-layered project. Keep in mind that it's already been > > established that the Cell is in a different class than Intel processors. > > There's a nice article here discussing the vast gulf between Intel and > > Cell: http://www.michaeldolan.com/688 > > > > As far as clustering goes, checking out what TSS has done would be > > useful: > > > > > > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=software&submitimg[hardware][solutions]=1<http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=software&submitimg%5Bhardware%5D%5Bsolutions%5D=1> > > > > Sometimes acquiring information as to what's been done helps develop an > > idea regarding challenging oneself with projects as learning tools so that > > eventually one may have a chance to move from fundamentals to more current > > areas of computer and mathematics research. What's interesting about Linux > > regardless of what computer architecture one works in, is that no one knows > > everything. What is interesting also about modern computer architecture > > (whether of Intel or Cell) is that they've become so complex even the most > > advanced professionals are challenged by utilizing them to their best > > efficiency; this leaves opportunity for the regular fellow to develop > > something completely unexpected such as a better way to code effectively. > > > > Macbook Pro would be running one distro than not YDL (it's powerpc and > > cell) and PS3 would be ruuning YDL. Would it work ok?. Of course I am also > > beginning to learn programming and as soon as get the hand of it, it would > > be great to programme for the PS3. > > > > P.S: I have seen in some foruns reference that because of the fact that > > macbook pro uses now EFI instead of BIOS that it wouldn't be possible to run > > Linux alone. How far is this true? > > > > > > Sorry, I don't know. But you could search the other lists or support > > communities for those versions of Linux which run on Intel and someone > > should respond sensibly. There's a lot of brilliantly odd programmers out > > there who probably figured something out. But remember that communication > > would be a problem, and I see this all the time, where the skills between > > any two persons may be vast. In other words, the more preparation and > > learning one does the more a conversation can be more meaningful as one has > > mastered the fundamentals. Not everything on the web is accurate and there > > is no replacement for the experience gained from practice and more practice > > in a positive and creative process of study. > > > > Good luck on whatever projects or series of studies you choose to engage > > upon. The work and effort is always worth it, if only for the sake of > > knowledge. > > > > In a closing, could you imagine what Isaac Newton would have done with > > such computers? Of course, what is more important is the work and > > achievement he did independently without them; there is no replacement for > > clear thinking. Thinking clearly is something anyone can improve upon. > > > > Best wishes... > > > > On Jan 30, 2008 4:11 PM, Derick Centeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Edward: > > > YDL is a linux variant designed to run exclusively on computers within > > > the PowerPC architecture family. In the current market, this means old > > > Apple (PowerPC) computers, the current and very hot 9 core Cell, which is > > > in > > > the PS3, and other computers which use the PowerPC/Cell family of CPUs. > > > > > > Given the current computer marketplace, it can be a challenge for > > > anyone to research why a person should choose one computer architecture > > > over > > > another; the key is to learn and comprehend their differences in design, > > > efficiency in processing and usage. The advantage of Linux, of course, is > > > that unlike commercial systems is that you have full access to all the > > > facilities of that CPU allowing you to utilize that CPU (as well as > > > program > > > it) either as a server or client. > > > > > > The Macbook Pro is an Intel only system. You could of course wipe OS > > > X off it and install Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu, Debian or even Slackware. All > > > are decent variants of Linux which run nicely on Intel CPUs; if I was > > > going > > > that route I'd choose Debian simply for the amount of tools they have > > > besides Ubuntu is a variant of Debian anyway. > > > > > > I could have given a simple, "No we don't do Intel here", but I > > > believed hinting at least a brief overview of why we're different (without > > > exploring the details) would be more helpful. Besides if your interest is > > > to go beyond what is common with Linux, and you have the drive to explore > > > the various intricacies of more advanced fields of mathematics, > > > programming > > > and other sciences -- the Cell has a great deal of Power (it won't choke) > > > which Intel won't approach or market for long while. You can wait, or you > > > can have it now in a computer for under $600. > > > > > > Linux can be a wonderful tool to learn with and develop professionally > > > with. Linux on the Cell though can be a better investment in one's > > > personal > > > training. The choice as usual is about one's interests; anyone can become > > > decent doing something nearly everyone does on computers everyone has. > > > The > > > opportunity here is how far an individual can apply and demonstrate > > > evolving > > > skills with outstanding superior technology -- if you think about it most > > > persons don't approach that level of challenge until they are in graduate > > > school pursuing a masters or terminal degree. What if that level of > > > challenge is possible earlier as a result of one's interests and one does > > > it > > > because it is truly interesting and fun; more importantly one can > > > demonstrate their skill via the code they produced on an advanced computer > > > architecture, which the Cell is. > > > > > > Interestingly, your choice of Linux states a lot about your interests. > > > You just maybe could discover the Cell design and strengths compelling > > > enough to consider as your CPU of choice; now in that context Yellow Dog > > > Linux makes perfect sense and comes pre-installed on the PS3. Here's that > > > link: > > > > > > > > > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware][sony]=1<http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg%5Bhardware%5D%5Bsony%5D=1> > > > > > > There are lot's of articles regarding the Cell throughout the web. > > > You may care to explore some of the information here: > > > > > > http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/cellebration/ > > > > > > Whatever your choice, all the best. > > > > > > As for myself, I'm a longtime YDL and PowerPC user who is also looking > > > forward to moving on to the Cell. Hopefully, I've expressed my opinions > > > within a useful context. > > > > > > All the best... > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Edward Montfoort wrote: > > > > > > Hello. I sort of new at linux and I would like to know if it would be > > > possible to run YDL on a macbook pro and also if it would be possible to > > > run > > > it as the only OS. > > > And what kind of problems would I find and how would I solve them. > > > Hope you can help. > > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > yellowdog-newbie mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================== > > > A mind forever voyaging through strange seas of thought. > > > -- Sir Isaac Newton > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > yellowdog-newbie mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yellowdog-newbie mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie > > > > > > > > > > ====================== > > > > A mind forever voyaging through strange seas of thought. > > > > -- Sir Isaac Newton > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yellowdog-newbie mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-newbie mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie > > -- Mr.Robert S. 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