On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
well,lot of confusions going on :)..nothing wrong....before anything, YOPER IS A COMMUNITY DRIVEN DISTRO AND COMMUNITY PROJECT
Andreas, as he created the initial Yoper Versions, is still a member. Its just since everybody need bread and butter daily, he is working in Novell as we all do. From his mails, i do see that he still has many ideas which he wants to be there in Yoper.Tobias took the ownership and now the whole Yoper design is different from what Andreas did in his versions.
I think each individual can speak about Yoper , not only advantages but in what way we fail.One way, it is good that Andreas stated how we are in his opinion.I will not agree with Andreas in terms of commenting as Flopper.....the efforts that Yoperians show towards Yoper is very big.Let Mark Shuttleworth stop sponsoring Ubuntu, and you would notice the whole community down in thinking how to develop Ubuntu.Same for Fedora/RedHat,Open SuSe/SuSe/Novell,Linspire/Freespire. Take the case of Yoper, we are not full time developers, but each one as a team are doing wonderful jobs around.What we released was just an Alpha....i would tell how bad was OpenSuSe 10.0 release, i do have tested OpenSuSe in my laptop being installed for one month.....
Ofcourse, we are proud of Yoper with the current devlopers,users,testers etc.,Yoper has received good response too from distrowatch ranks and also we had one user giving review for Alpha release itself !...and also we had some bodies for sponsorships too...there are quite a lot of things happening eventhough we released only an alpha version...
We are happy in the way we are progressing..and...yes Yoper do have the latest STABLE packages....
Yoper's aim is to be a perfect desktop for all...
This issue started with the discussion of XGL....how many know about XGL in Yoper...there are many audiences who do not need XGL and few may need.....we can ofcourse build and make it available in repos, once we build it, but we cannot tell when....except XGL i do find Yoper having mostly used packages....
Same type of confusion occured when we found tha FTP site :) with Andreas......
Andreas,
We are not geting any funds, we are not a BIG community,we are not full time developers, but yet we are doing good to see that Yoper which is not only your dream but many of us.....and we will continue this effort.....if you think we will go down in regards of packages, am sorry, i dont think so.....each packager are doing their job well...just for XGL i could not admit we are behind....
I have many places where i want to improve, until today, no distro has those ideas incorporated and i will definetly incorporate it in Yoper......Yoper has a good foundation..no doubt about that.....
David (and all), please dont take drastic decisions of leaving Yoper or any third thinking....it is a community based distro...and we do appreciate the efforts each one contributing to Yoper.....
I was a little concerned about this.
Is Yoper a community project with no real ownership, or are we doing this with
the threat of Andreas pulling the Yoper name if we do not follow his wishes?
I need to know now before devoting more time to this. I have already
purchased a laptop (although it was a cheap one) just for this project. I
have not spent anywhere near the time others have, however I plan on making
significant contributions to this distro. This should be a group conscience
decision to put in Xgl or any other technology. I wanted LVM, but was also
told that Yoper is not ready. I am fine with that. Now that I have seen there
is a lot of work to get the system stable, I understand why it should wait. I
am perfectly fine at this stage walking away with no hard feelings. But if I
spend the next year on Yoper only to have it pulled by Andreas because he
does not like how we do things, then I will be greatly dissapointed. Maybe a
fork is the right thing to do at this point.
well,lot of confusions going on :)..nothing wrong....before anything, YOPER IS A COMMUNITY DRIVEN DISTRO AND COMMUNITY PROJECT
Andreas, as he created the initial Yoper Versions, is still a member. Its just since everybody need bread and butter daily, he is working in Novell as we all do. From his mails, i do see that he still has many ideas which he wants to be there in Yoper.Tobias took the ownership and now the whole Yoper design is different from what Andreas did in his versions.
I think each individual can speak about Yoper , not only advantages but in what way we fail.One way, it is good that Andreas stated how we are in his opinion.I will not agree with Andreas in terms of commenting as Flopper.....the efforts that Yoperians show towards Yoper is very big.Let Mark Shuttleworth stop sponsoring Ubuntu, and you would notice the whole community down in thinking how to develop Ubuntu.Same for Fedora/RedHat,Open SuSe/SuSe/Novell,Linspire/Freespire. Take the case of Yoper, we are not full time developers, but each one as a team are doing wonderful jobs around.What we released was just an Alpha....i would tell how bad was OpenSuSe 10.0 release, i do have tested OpenSuSe in my laptop being installed for one month.....
Ofcourse, we are proud of Yoper with the current devlopers,users,testers etc.,Yoper has received good response too from distrowatch ranks and also we had one user giving review for Alpha release itself !...and also we had some bodies for sponsorships too...there are quite a lot of things happening eventhough we released only an alpha version...
We are happy in the way we are progressing..and...yes Yoper do have the latest STABLE packages....
Yoper's aim is to be a perfect desktop for all...
This issue started with the discussion of XGL....how many know about XGL in Yoper...there are many audiences who do not need XGL and few may need.....we can ofcourse build and make it available in repos, once we build it, but we cannot tell when....except XGL i do find Yoper having mostly used packages....
Andreas,
As far as calling it Flopper? That is bad form. You left this project. It is
not yours any more. I understand a fondness, but if you want that kind of
control, you should not have licensed it under the GPL. All you have is the
name. The code can be taken and forked by anyone. I can only speak for
myself, I was impressed with your efforts in the past and wanted to
contribute. But, if you are going to be a dictator, then I will go elsewhere.
Same type of confusion occured when we found tha FTP site :) with Andreas......
Andreas,
We are not geting any funds, we are not a BIG community,we are not full time developers, but yet we are doing good to see that Yoper which is not only your dream but many of us.....and we will continue this effort.....if you think we will go down in regards of packages, am sorry, i dont think so.....each packager are doing their job well...just for XGL i could not admit we are behind....
I have many places where i want to improve, until today, no distro has those ideas incorporated and i will definetly incorporate it in Yoper......Yoper has a good foundation..no doubt about that.....
I am interested in hearing from chaks and TobiG on this issue.
David (and all), please dont take drastic decisions of leaving Yoper or any third thinking....it is a community based distro...and we do appreciate the efforts each one contributing to Yoper.....
David Huffman (bigredradio)
On Thursday 25 May 2006 02:43, Andreas Girardet wrote:
> Folks
>
> you know me. I am no enemy of clear words and of action.
>
> Honestly, if the attitude of Yoper developers for Eye Candy is that back
> wards, we might as well shut Yoper down. I will certainly not put my name
> on the line for a distro that is:
>
>
> 1.) Unstable
> 2.) Takes ages to install
> 3.) Has absolutely no up to date packaging and hardly any interesting
> packages (no OO!!!)
> 4.) Does not have the latest Eye Candy
> 5.) Where developers have left the ideal of taking the best of other
> distro's and integrate it
>
> Are you guys still doing Yoper or would it not be better starting your own
> distro? Maybe call if Flopper?
>
> Saying that Xgl "slows" things down is pretty laughable given the fact that
> XGL actually uses the Video RAM for its Rendering (and the GPU) and that in
> itself is more than what your Yoper is doing at the moment.
>
> I feel Yoper is diverting from its path and given the fact that you
> published an alpha that does not even install on standard systems (how
> apalling!), I think that you should review any future release. I will
> certainly have a word on anything that comes out as after all this is my
> baby and I will not let my baby run like that.
>
> Get my point?
>
> Andreas
>
> On 5/25/06, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 May 2006 01:00, Tobias Gerschner wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > > is there any knowledge about slowing down systems with XGL ? Or are
> > > these just assumptions ? I don't have reviewed this particular matter.
> > >
> > > FYI: I am somewhat locked away in my current location because the WLAN
> > > here got down and I have to use public machines, where I obviously
> > > can't do much.
> > >
> > > So, I propose we get it work before worrying. Xorg 7.1 is on the run,
> > > and that is enough reason for me to upgrade X . Given the fact that
> > > Yoper Development is somewhat slower than anyone of us likes we have
> > > to upgrade the system from time to time anyway (IMHO).
> > >
> > >
> > > cheers
> >
> > For my part, it was an assumption :) Even KDE slows down a PC compared
> > to Flux or XFCE - so the added 3d goodness of Xgl is likely to require
> > larger amounts of memory simply to perform the eye candy side of things.
> > However, I am open to correction :)
> >
> > Mark
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