I'm not Tobig or Chacks but here is my take: although your concerns are
valid I seriously doubt that Yoper will crumble or get pulled away by
Andreas. I would agree that the comments by Andreas were probably bad
form especially since the project has really grown and now many people
contribute in many ways that hadn't happened before. I honestly don't
think he was trying to insult anyone but rather having been around when
almost ever comment Andreas made was perceived as being dictatorial I
recognize this as being his way and nothing more. (I wouldn't read
anything into it) The way Yoper is developed is slow and limited in
resources. So there is a good chance that we won't be able to do
everything we want right away if this means we release Tiatnium without
xgl. Oh well. If we include it, hurray for us. It is what it is. Nothing
more and nothing less.
Should we fork. Proabably not. Why? No real reason to. We have been
through this discussion before many times.
Could we use some additional help? Absolutley! So David please don't
pull out over a fear that Andreas is going to sabatage us since I am
sure that he will not.
Should we include xgl? Yes if we can. No if we can't plain and simple.
Andreas, do you want to build xgl for us?
Walter
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I was a little concerned about this.
Is Yoper a community project with no real ownership, or are we doing this with
the threat of Andreas pulling the Yoper name if we do not follow his wishes?
I need to know now before devoting more time to this. I have already
purchased a laptop (although it was a cheap one) just for this project. I
have not spent anywhere near the time others have, however I plan on making
significant contributions to this distro. This should be a group conscience
decision to put in Xgl or any other technology. I wanted LVM, but was also
told that Yoper is not ready. I am fine with that. Now that I have seen there
is a lot of work to get the system stable, I understand why it should wait. I
am perfectly fine at this stage walking away with no hard feelings. But if I
spend the next year on Yoper only to have it pulled by Andreas because he
does not like how we do things, then I will be greatly dissapointed. Maybe a
fork is the right thing to do at this point.
Andreas,
As far as calling it Flopper? That is bad form. You left this project. It is
not yours any more. I understand a fondness, but if you want that kind of
control, you should not have licensed it under the GPL. All you have is the
name. The code can be taken and forked by anyone. I can only speak for
myself, I was impressed with your efforts in the past and wanted to
contribute. But, if you are going to be a dictator, then I will go elsewhere.
I am interested in hearing from chaks and TobiG on this issue.
David Huffman (bigredradio)
On Thursday 25 May 2006 02:43, Andreas Girardet wrote:
Folks
you know me. I am no enemy of clear words and of action.
Honestly, if the attitude of Yoper developers for Eye Candy is that back
wards, we might as well shut Yoper down. I will certainly not put my name
on the line for a distro that is:
1.) Unstable
2.) Takes ages to install
3.) Has absolutely no up to date packaging and hardly any interesting
packages (no OO!!!)
4.) Does not have the latest Eye Candy
5.) Where developers have left the ideal of taking the best of other
distro's and integrate it
Are you guys still doing Yoper or would it not be better starting your own
distro? Maybe call if Flopper?
Saying that Xgl "slows" things down is pretty laughable given the fact that
XGL actually uses the Video RAM for its Rendering (and the GPU) and that in
itself is more than what your Yoper is doing at the moment.
I feel Yoper is diverting from its path and given the fact that you
published an alpha that does not even install on standard systems (how
apalling!), I think that you should review any future release. I will
certainly have a word on anything that comes out as after all this is my
baby and I will not let my baby run like that.
Get my point?
Andreas
On 5/25/06, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thursday 25 May 2006 01:00, Tobias Gerschner wrote:
Hi,
is there any knowledge about slowing down systems with XGL ? Or are
these just assumptions ? I don't have reviewed this particular matter.
FYI: I am somewhat locked away in my current location because the WLAN
here got down and I have to use public machines, where I obviously
can't do much.
So, I propose we get it work before worrying. Xorg 7.1 is on the run,
and that is enough reason for me to upgrade X . Given the fact that
Yoper Development is somewhat slower than anyone of us likes we have
to upgrade the system from time to time anyway (IMHO).
cheers
For my part, it was an assumption :) Even KDE slows down a PC compared
to Flux or XFCE - so the added 3d goodness of Xgl is likely to require
larger amounts of memory simply to perform the eye candy side of things.
However, I am open to correction :)
Mark
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