Hi,
here is a quick summary of the recent IRC Meeting about the upcoming stable release. Happy to see people taking interest and giving input and contribute ! The main information page for the upcoming release is : http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=ISO_completion_-_Ilmenite_Edition . The public beta shall be finished by 26th of Feb 2007 . So whatever we want to do , we should ask ourself ' are we able to finish it by that day'. After that we really need to focus on tidying up. The following is a list of things that were offered / agreed to achieve. I may have misunderstood things or just missed them. If so, please don't be offended and just correct me. The order is chronologic, means follows the flow of the discussion. Petter: - starts maintaining the xfce desktops look and feel. - tobias supports to package additional packages upon request of petter as well as modifying existing packages to meet the wishes of the 'xfce desktop design team' Questions that Petter wants to be publically discussed: - A software selection with QT programs. Any suggestions? - Adding scripts for automatic shortcut/menu modifications. Where would YOU like the menu and shortcuts to be available? - Graphical profile, colors etc.... - Do we actually have any finished configtools? - How close to windows should we make keyboard shortcuts and stuff? Tobias: improve yis to allow even more customization for creating your own yoper cd anyone, - get more people involved for preparing the final release - need testers and people willing to provide configurations for yoper user desktop Kernowyon: - test gaming requirements - wine , winex , sdl work close together with tobias to make sure everything is available and maybe even installable during initial setup ( kernowyon : for my needs, I require sdl - thats what gamers need, plus 3d acceleration - either with the nvidia/ati drivers in the release or easily installable Tobias: - improve xorg.conf generation for 3d effects Anyone: - testing testing testing Tobias: - get wine and winex done anyone: - test well known apps in wine and games in winex ( http://www.americasarmy.com/ ) melideux&tobias: - sort nvidia driver concept and get all drivers into the repos ( 7184, 9631 , 9742 ) musikolo&tobias: - finish and merge multimedia efforts into rocketfuel Anyone: - changes to packages that would affect other packages are only allowed till 3rd Feb - it is still ok to get totally new packages into rocketfuel as long as they do not affect other packages Requires / BuildRequires - any new package has to go through the regular package lifecycle as in the wiki tobias: - trying OOo 2.1 without Java - improve installer according to To Do List anyone: - identify areas of improvements for yoper user experience ( using yoper ) - recommend the test iso now for anyone asking for a yoper installation cd.;) Ok, please feel free to comment, improve or correct that summary. The full log around that meeting is attached. regards and gn8 -- Tobias Gerschner Member of Board of Yoper Linux Ltd. NZ Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do.
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 21 07:14:50 2007 Jan 21 07:14:50 * Now talking on #yoper Jan 21 07:14:50 * Topic for #yoper is: Open Meeting on Sat 21st Jan , 10 p.m. CET , Discuss a final release with the Yoper Team - http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=To_Do_for_upcoming_version | WEEKLY ISO available here : http://development.yoper.com/build/ Jan 21 07:14:50 * Topic for #yoper set by TobiG at Fri Jan 19 15:00:14 2007 Jan 21 07:14:51 -ChanServ- [#yoper] Welcome to #yoper, this is the offical Yoper linux channel. Feel free to ask for any help you may need Jan 21 07:14:51 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to TobiG Jan 21 08:15:24 * arnulf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/team/arnulf) has joined #yoper Jan 21 08:23:06 <TobiG> moin moin Jan 21 08:23:27 <pettern> hi:) Jan 21 08:24:01 <TobiG> hi Jan 21 08:24:21 <pettern> whats up Jan 21 08:24:28 <TobiG> pettern, arnulf has given me a link with quite a few xfce apps Jan 21 08:24:59 <pettern> great Jan 21 08:25:03 <TobiG> but I'd like to hear your opinion about xfce in yoper first Jan 21 08:25:17 <pettern> did you get my email to the list? Jan 21 08:25:33 <TobiG> yep Jan 21 08:25:46 <TobiG> looks like you're willing to do some work on it, which is great ! Jan 21 08:26:01 <TobiG> and you know I'll support you :) Jan 21 08:26:39 <pettern> i have already got me a small crew with designers willing to help me out so that part is OK Jan 21 08:26:59 <pettern> and im willing to do a lot of scripting and configuring Jan 21 08:27:28 <TobiG> cool , because I am not aware of the options and possibilities of the xfce desktop Jan 21 08:27:41 <pettern> then we will only need some help from you with packaging/iso building, but thats still far ahead Jan 21 08:27:45 <TobiG> i just started exploring it Jan 21 08:28:02 <TobiG> that's quite easy :) Jan 21 08:28:22 <pettern> xfce is probebly a good choice for you since your not that dependent on GUI Jan 21 08:28:34 <TobiG> with another 2-3 days work on it, anyone can build a very custom iso Jan 21 08:28:41 <TobiG> yep Jan 21 08:29:07 * arnulf_ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #yoper Jan 21 08:29:10 <pettern> btw, i have had xubuntu running on my parents computer for 1-2months and they dont have any problems with using it Jan 21 08:29:26 <TobiG> sweet :) Jan 21 08:29:28 <pettern> so xfce is userfriendly enough for almost anyone Jan 21 08:29:38 <TobiG> i actually find myself getting into trouble using windows Jan 21 08:29:46 <TobiG> it's getting harder and harder :) Jan 21 08:30:10 <TobiG> arnulf_, does rsync work for you ? Jan 21 08:30:38 <pettern> i cant come to the meeting today:( Jan 21 08:30:52 <pettern> saturday night is not the best time for me:) Jan 21 08:30:59 <TobiG> no worries it won't be the last and I am in IRC all day anyqay] Jan 21 08:31:04 <TobiG> *anyway Jan 21 08:31:27 <TobiG> xfce has a very clean interface so it's hard to get confused Jan 21 08:31:37 <pettern> do you know anyone else that will be here= Jan 21 08:32:34 <pettern> i have a couple of suggestions for the XFCE iso that it might be good to get some feedback on if there will be a few memebers here Jan 21 08:33:50 <TobiG> we'll see Jan 21 08:34:01 <TobiG> we had a bit of a loss of interest in yoper :) Jan 21 08:34:12 <TobiG> though the development is more alive than ever Jan 21 08:34:51 <pettern> its no shock that we loose people, the longer it goes before a stable release the more people change iso Jan 21 08:35:15 <pettern> i will send a small email on some things you might give some feedback on during the meeting Jan 21 08:35:30 <TobiG> I will do so Jan 21 08:35:45 <TobiG> you're right Jan 21 08:41:09 <pettern> look at you email. got to go now. bye Jan 21 08:42:17 <TobiG> bye Jan 21 08:42:27 <TobiG> going for breakfast here ;) Jan 21 08:46:31 * arnulf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Jan 21 09:34:26 * francofait has quit ("KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/";) Jan 21 09:36:54 * chaks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/team/Chaks) has joined #yoper Jan 21 09:37:37 <TobiG> oh dear, good morning :) Jan 21 09:37:45 <TobiG> what's the time for you maniac :D Jan 21 09:38:32 <chaks> :) Jan 21 09:39:05 <chaks> well, today we had party, so just now arrived Jan 21 09:39:11 <chaks> its 2.00 am Jan 21 09:39:26 <chaks> TobiG, yoper repos dont have mozilla package? Jan 21 09:39:44 <TobiG> no only a firefox package Jan 21 09:40:32 <chaks> some of the gnome packages require npapi.h, which seems to be of mozilla devel Jan 21 09:41:11 <chaks> and the weird thing is , the package is librsvg-2.16 which is actually librsvg2 as in yoper repos, but older version Jan 21 09:41:42 <chaks> so, i dont think its compatible with gnome 2.16.2 stable release as in their gnome source code packages, the version of librsvg given is 2.16.x Jan 21 09:47:41 <chaks> TobiG, you there? Jan 21 09:48:11 <TobiG> yes Jan 21 09:48:15 <TobiG> had a phone call Jan 21 09:49:57 <chaks> oh..sorry Jan 21 09:50:04 <chaks> please read my messages :) Jan 21 09:51:15 <TobiG> have done so Jan 21 09:51:31 <TobiG> can you paste me the complete error msg you get ? Jan 21 09:51:51 <TobiG> I wonder how lordtweety solved that Jan 21 09:54:34 <chaks> here are the errors Jan 21 09:54:36 <chaks> moz-plugin.c:41:19: error: npapi.h: No such file or directory Jan 21 09:54:36 <chaks> moz-plugin.c:42:19: error: npupp.h: No such file or directory Jan 21 09:54:55 <chaks> this requires mozilla , thats why am confused on how lordtweety compiled it :( Jan 21 09:55:04 <chaks> checking the configure script options Jan 21 09:55:55 <TobiG> so that's which package ? Jan 21 09:56:06 <chaks> doing this - ./configure --disable-mozilla-plugin Jan 21 09:56:15 <chaks> its librsvg package Jan 21 09:56:37 <TobiG> k Jan 21 09:56:48 <chaks> ok, now my configure does tell - "Build Netscape plugin: no" Jan 21 09:57:00 <chaks> but is that ok TobiG?, Jan 21 09:57:14 <chaks> done Jan 21 09:57:20 <TobiG> of course Jan 21 09:57:30 <TobiG> we don't have mozilla anyway :D Jan 21 09:57:44 <TobiG> so why would you want to have the plugin for it Jan 21 09:57:57 <TobiG> and I think we'd rather go for seamonkey anyway, don't we ? Jan 21 09:58:16 <chaks> hm...well, am not expert in that to tell :D Jan 21 09:58:30 <TobiG> neither am I Jan 21 09:59:05 * TobiG has changed the topic to: Open Meeting on Sat 21st Jan , 10 p.m. CET , Discuss a final release with the Yoper Team - http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=To_Do_for_upcoming_version | If you want to see a stable Yoper release please help testing and error reporting, that's what we need ! Jan 21 09:59:48 <chaks> TobiG, when is the meeting? Jan 21 10:00:02 <chaks> i dont see CET in worldtimeserver or am i wrong Jan 21 10:00:32 <TobiG> central european time :) Jan 21 10:00:42 <TobiG> ah and it's supposed to be now :) Jan 21 10:01:05 <chaks> he he he....its toooo early for me! Jan 21 10:01:06 <chaks> lol Jan 21 10:01:29 <TobiG> do you have a final flight date ? Jan 21 10:02:17 <chaks> not yet, but will update you, it should be in that 10th , 11th feb Jan 21 10:05:50 <TobiG> good Jan 21 10:05:54 <TobiG> looks like we have to move Jan 21 10:05:58 <TobiG> our house gets sold Jan 21 10:06:15 <TobiG> very convenient :/ Jan 21 10:06:39 <TobiG> just need to be sure we don't move at the weekend you're coming ;) Jan 21 10:06:53 <TobiG> slightly updated Jan 21 10:06:53 <TobiG> http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=ISO_completion_-_Ilmenite_Edition Jan 21 10:09:07 <chaks> ah..TobiG, I dont have anyone other than you at Auckland! Jan 21 10:09:09 <chaks> :) Jan 21 10:09:18 * kernowyon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #yoper Jan 21 10:09:33 <chaks> welcome Mark Jan 21 10:09:39 <kernowyon> hi all Jan 21 10:09:40 <TobiG> greetings sayer :) Jan 21 10:11:25 <TobiG> so how are you kernowyon ? Jan 21 10:11:42 <kernowyon> not too bad this evening :) Jan 21 10:11:55 <kernowyon> so - have I missed anything? Jan 21 10:12:34 <chaks> well, the meeting isnt started yet! Jan 21 10:12:34 <TobiG> nope Jan 21 10:12:53 <kernowyon> its past 10 CET now ;) Jan 21 10:13:01 <TobiG> I am happy to sort only one issue for now , Jan 21 10:13:12 <TobiG> how to get more people involved for preparing the final release Jan 21 10:13:31 <kernowyon> in what sense Tobias? Testers? Jan 21 10:13:32 <TobiG> we need testers and people willing to provide configurations for yoper users Jan 21 10:13:36 <kernowyon> ah Jan 21 10:13:48 <TobiG> because I am a cmdline junkee Jan 21 10:13:59 <TobiG> I don't know a regular users needs Jan 21 10:14:05 <TobiG> my usage profile is very different Jan 21 10:14:17 <chaks> then, we need to have a public release before feb? than the proposed date? Jan 21 10:14:22 <chaks> so that we get people involved more? Jan 21 10:14:25 <kernowyon> well, I have the weekly iso running in vmware, but intend to put it onto a proper test machine in a day or two Jan 21 10:15:02 <TobiG> chaks , that's a dog and tail problem Jan 21 10:15:13 <TobiG> we can't have a proper release without testers Jan 21 10:15:23 <TobiG> without a proper release we do not have testers :) Jan 21 10:15:37 <chaks> he he he....good one!...agreed! Jan 21 10:15:48 <TobiG> yeo Jan 21 10:15:57 <kernowyon> for my needs, I require sdl - thats what gamers need, plus 3d acceleration - either with the nvidia/ati drivers in the release or easily installable Jan 21 10:15:58 <chaks> so, what would be the test procedure according to you TobiG? Jan 21 10:16:00 <TobiG> and I'd really be happy to get that issue sorted by today Jan 21 10:16:08 <chaks> me currently into gnome testing Jan 21 10:16:10 * arnulf_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) Jan 21 10:16:15 <TobiG> kernowyon, that will be done Jan 21 10:16:24 <chaks> need to consult with lordtweety after he comes from vacation Jan 21 10:16:26 <TobiG> I have that very high in my to do list Jan 21 10:16:34 <TobiG> and I also have the concept ready Jan 21 10:16:44 * Melideux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/team/Melideux) has joined #yoper Jan 21 10:16:44 <kernowyon> yep, I guessed it would be - with the xgl interest Jan 21 10:16:50 <TobiG> and I also want to have winex been done Jan 21 10:16:54 <chaks> beryl is superb! Jan 21 10:16:58 <chaks> tested in ubuntu Jan 21 10:17:04 <chaks> but not in yoper yet Jan 21 10:17:22 * phoenix ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #yoper Jan 21 10:17:24 <kommander-tom> Hi everyone :-) Jan 21 10:17:28 <TobiG> hi kernowyon Jan 21 10:17:30 <TobiG> hi kommander-tom Jan 21 10:17:32 <TobiG> ;) Jan 21 10:17:51 <TobiG> I have a new concept to create the xorg.conf Jan 21 10:17:59 <kernowyon> did we decide if the winex licence is OK with yoper including it? I forgot to look at it Jan 21 10:17:59 <kommander-tom> is it already the meeting ? Jan 21 10:18:06 <TobiG> that should give very good results Jan 21 10:18:09 <TobiG> kommander-tom, sort of Jan 21 10:18:13 <TobiG> I'd say yes Jan 21 10:18:27 <TobiG> kernowyon, I think it is allowed Jan 21 10:18:35 <TobiG> did spent 2 hours reading it Jan 21 10:18:56 <TobiG> could not find complicated parts Jan 21 10:18:57 <kernowyon> TobiG - OK. If not, wine itself, as an rpm would be almost as good for most users Jan 21 10:19:16 <TobiG> kernowyon, yes I have a local build, but not sure how to test Jan 21 10:19:27 <TobiG> don't use windows apps nor do I have a windows installation Jan 21 10:19:54 <kernowyon> you don't need windows - just a windows program - some freebie one would do **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 21 10:19:59 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 21 10:19:59 2007 Jan 21 10:20:09 <Melideux> How about open-source versions of progrmas, such as firefox? Jan 21 10:20:23 <TobiG> you mean testing firefox for windows using wine ? Jan 21 10:20:47 <Melideux> yes, free, and you know whats supposed to happen. :) Jan 21 10:20:56 <kommander-tom> hum are you talking about wine or winex ? Jan 21 10:21:03 <kernowyon> Melideux, that would be the sort of idea, but perhaps something a little less complex would be easier Jan 21 10:21:05 <TobiG> kommander-tom, both :) Jan 21 10:21:10 <chaks> hey...first let us build firefox for yoper :) becoz, we only have firefox-static in our repos Jan 21 10:21:16 <chaks> hope am not wrong Jan 21 10:21:24 <kommander-tom> because winex is designed for games, so you must test it with a directx game Jan 21 10:21:34 <TobiG> chaks, that's not true we have firefox 2.0.0.1 as a proper built in the repositories Jan 21 10:21:47 <chaks> oh! Jan 21 10:21:50 <TobiG> chaks, but johnbon made a static built in his branch Jan 21 10:21:50 <chaks> sorry, then am wrong Jan 21 10:21:53 <Melideux> yes, of course, native is better. :) But AA is free if you want to test a 3d game.... Jan 21 10:21:56 <TobiG> no worries ;) Jan 21 10:22:05 <chaks> :) Jan 21 10:22:16 <TobiG> any ideas about a game for testing winex ? Jan 21 10:22:25 <Melideux> aa? ^^ :) Jan 21 10:22:33 <TobiG> I don't know what AA means :D Jan 21 10:22:42 <kernowyon> Americas Army Jan 21 10:22:46 <Melideux> For shame! http://www.americasarmy.com/ Jan 21 10:23:02 <TobiG> :) Jan 21 10:23:06 <kommander-tom> kernowyon: americas army use opengl ? isn't it ? Jan 21 10:23:23 <TobiG> ok, so is it ok, when I get wine and winex in the repositories and leave the testing for others ? Jan 21 10:23:23 <Melideux> directx, but maybe too complicated and resource intensive... Jan 21 10:23:26 <kernowyon> Quake3 would get my vote to test - it works in wine, but would be useful to test winex Jan 21 10:23:33 <TobiG> ok Jan 21 10:23:42 <Melideux> windows-- directx, linux and mac--opengl Jan 21 10:23:43 <kernowyon> yep - get it in the repo and I will test it out Jan 21 10:23:53 <TobiG> we actually need a test procedure, check list, too ... Jan 21 10:24:12 <TobiG> nothing complicated a long list of things to check is fine for the start Jan 21 10:24:19 <TobiG> but something that prevents missing things Jan 21 10:25:12 <kernowyon> the trouble with gme tests is that wine/winex differ a lot depending on user system etc. We can test a general principle - check for error messages etc - but thats all really. It could work for me, but fail for another user Jan 21 10:25:14 <TobiG> Melideux, what is your GF card you have ? Jan 21 10:25:55 <Melideux> geforce 2 ultra Jan 21 10:25:57 <TobiG> kernowyon, you're right indeed Jan 21 10:26:03 <kernowyon> kommander-tom , yes, I think AA is openGL - not played it for years Jan 21 10:26:30 <Melideux> aa on windows is opengl. on linux and mac, it is opengl Jan 21 10:26:37 <kommander-tom> kernowyon: games availlable for linux are often based on opengl Jan 21 10:26:40 <Melideux> worng! directx on windows Jan 21 10:26:51 <kommander-tom> directx of courses ! Jan 21 10:26:59 <kommander-tom> but not direct3d ! Jan 21 10:27:01 <kernowyon> yes - opengl is the usual graphics for us Jan 21 10:27:12 <Melideux> I can't type... :( Jan 21 10:27:32 <chaks> errr...soo many windows jargons! lol Jan 21 10:27:42 <TobiG> Melideux, does the 9631 driver work for you ? Jan 21 10:27:50 <kommander-tom> opengl = direct3d; sdl\* = direct\*[^3d] Jan 21 10:28:13 <TobiG> Melideux, or do you need 7184, I find this driver to be totally unusable Jan 21 10:28:13 <Melideux> nope :( I need the legacy drivers, that don't seem to work. :) Jan 21 10:28:27 <Melideux> The legacy driver... Jan 21 10:28:50 * kernowyon uses 8something for my GeForce Jan 21 10:29:09 <TobiG> 9631 is supposed to be a legacy driver too Jan 21 10:29:31 <TobiG> I still try to understand the driver concept of nvidia Jan 21 10:29:51 <Melideux> ooooo. I have a project for this afternoon! :) Jan 21 10:30:00 <kernowyon> lol - I think nvidia are trying to understand it as well! Jan 21 10:31:02 <Melideux> 9631 or 9746? :) Jan 21 10:31:17 <TobiG> 9746 is the regular one Jan 21 10:31:21 <TobiG> using it here, right now Jan 21 10:31:40 <TobiG> and on an office laptop using 9631 Jan 21 10:31:46 <TobiG> but there's also 9631 Jan 21 10:31:50 <TobiG> 7184 Jan 21 10:32:07 <Melideux> ok, will try. I don't see my card on the list, but who cares about lists? Jan 21 10:32:39 <TobiG> I find 7184 to be broken in general Jan 21 10:32:46 <TobiG> I never succeeded to load the kernel module Jan 21 10:32:58 <TobiG> maybe it's just me tho Jan 21 10:33:06 <Melideux> yes, I kept getting a white screen... Jan 21 10:33:22 <TobiG> that's actually ok Jan 21 10:33:28 <TobiG> that was the old broken X Jan 21 10:33:34 <TobiG> so it might work now Jan 21 10:33:48 <TobiG> there was a very long thread on the xorg list about it Jan 21 10:33:57 <TobiG> it was broken in mandriva too Jan 21 10:34:07 <TobiG> that was an X error Jan 21 10:34:11 <TobiG> it may work now Jan 21 10:34:15 <Melideux> so, there is a new x in the repository? Jan 21 10:34:20 <TobiG> yes indeed Jan 21 10:34:52 <TobiG> and btw the final xorg 7.2 got delayed again ;) Jan 21 10:34:57 <Melideux> I need to upgrade more often, or you need to slow down.... :) Jan 21 10:35:11 <chaks> :) Jan 21 10:35:45 <TobiG> musikolo has quite a change in his repos as well Jan 21 10:35:49 <TobiG> as does lordtweety Jan 21 10:36:01 <TobiG> hope to get that into rocketfuel too Jan 21 10:37:55 <TobiG> ok, is the 3rd feb for doing changes to yoper libraries ok ? Jan 21 10:38:11 <TobiG> that means after that we don't mess around with packages that would affect other packages Jan 21 10:38:23 <TobiG> I'd like to get consensus on this Jan 21 10:38:39 <TobiG> we can still add applications Jan 21 10:38:46 <Melideux> So, rocket fuel only for stable pavkages, etc, etc...? Jan 21 10:38:51 <TobiG> yes Jan 21 10:39:06 <TobiG> after that we add new stuff to dynamite Jan 21 10:39:24 <TobiG> and after ... weeks we can move them to rocketfuel Jan 21 10:39:31 <Melideux> sounds good. If we are going to release a "release" we need professional quality packages in my opinion. Jan 21 10:39:32 <TobiG> it's a suggestions Jan 21 10:39:39 <TobiG> -s Jan 21 10:39:47 <chaks> TobiG, here its 3.00 am now, i cant even open my eyes, do update me regarding the meeting, me moving to bed Jan 21 10:39:48 <TobiG> ok Jan 21 10:39:48 <chaks> :) Jan 21 10:39:50 <chaks> :( Jan 21 10:39:54 <TobiG> sleep tight Jan 21 10:39:55 <Melideux> Allow cutting edge packages to be built in other repositories... Jan 21 10:39:59 <chaks> bye all Jan 21 10:40:00 <TobiG> I have logging enabled Jan 21 10:40:02 <kernowyon> night Chaks! Jan 21 10:40:03 * chaks has quit ("Leaving") Jan 21 10:40:14 <TobiG> yes Jan 21 10:40:21 <Melideux> wait! did he svn move, and commit? :) Jan 21 10:40:35 <TobiG> what do you mean Melideux ? Jan 21 10:40:54 <Melideux> buildserver joke. I have got to stop listening to the goons..... Jan 21 10:40:59 <TobiG> :D Jan 21 10:41:01 <TobiG> gotcha Jan 21 10:41:18 <TobiG> think he got commited Jan 21 10:41:31 <kernowyon> lol Jan 21 10:41:49 <Melideux> Whew! don't want his work lost... Jan 21 10:42:58 <TobiG> so any ideas about this : http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=ISO_completion_-_Ilmenite_Edition ? Jan 21 10:43:10 <TobiG> and this : http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=To_Do_for_upcoming_version ? Jan 21 10:43:59 * TobiG has changed the topic to: Open Meeting on Sat 21st Jan , 10 p.m. CET , Discuss a final release with the Yoper Team - http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=ISO_completion_-_Ilmenite_Edition | If you want to see a stable Yoper release please help testing and error reporting, that's what we need ! Jan 21 10:44:17 <TobiG> actually I think we can justify calling it titanium Jan 21 10:44:35 <kernowyon> well, Petter is listed as heading up the xfce desktop and he wanted us to mention it here, but I guess that is later on? Jan 21 10:44:48 <TobiG> depends :) Jan 21 10:45:02 <TobiG> my intension was getting input and listening Jan 21 10:45:59 <TobiG> the xfce desktop is very clean and very usable right from the start Jan 21 10:46:10 <TobiG> good work done by those devs Jan 21 10:46:14 <kernowyon> I feel the inclusion of OOo is needed for the distro if that is a useful comment ;) Jan 21 10:46:26 <TobiG> yeah I've seen that coming Jan 21 10:46:33 <TobiG> guess that's me Jan 21 10:46:45 <kernowyon> not that I personally do much office stuff, but I think it is expected these days Jan 21 10:46:59 <TobiG> I'll do what I can Jan 21 10:47:07 <TobiG> but I won't start java integration Jan 21 10:47:10 <TobiG> :) Jan 21 10:47:12 <kernowyon> I know it has been raised before Jan 21 10:47:28 <kernowyon> no - the java stuff is not needed for general use Jan 21 10:47:45 <TobiG> well it would double the time of getting it done Jan 21 10:49:33 <kernowyon> the basics seem to be there and working nicely though - the boot time is very fast Jan 21 10:49:37 <TobiG> the most annoying thing is the compilation time of 8-9 hours Jan 21 10:49:52 <TobiG> good :) Jan 21 10:50:07 <kernowyon> yeah - I can imagine that is rather boring! Jan 21 10:50:08 <TobiG> I have reviewed the grub manual and may have found another way of installing grub Jan 21 10:50:23 <TobiG> so we might even succeed there Jan 21 10:50:43 <TobiG> does rhgb work for you kernowyon ? Jan 21 10:50:50 <TobiG> that's the graphical boot mode Jan 21 10:50:57 <kernowyon> The weekly iso I installed used grub - but I always use ext3, and I think the issue with grub was with other file systems? Jan 21 10:51:11 <TobiG> kernowyon, you're right Jan 21 10:52:07 * arnulf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/team/arnulf) has joined #yoper Jan 21 10:52:27 <kernowyon> TobiG - not sure what you mean there. I installed and ended up with the cli, so I added the various packages needed to get a gui and it now boots into runlevel 5 Jan 21 10:53:29 <kernowyon> moin arnulf Jan 21 10:53:29 <TobiG> ah you manually installed the packages , right Jan 21 10:53:40 <TobiG> please try 'smart install rhgb' Jan 21 10:53:49 <arnulf> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 21 10:53:50 <TobiG> and on boot you should get a graphical boot mode Jan 21 10:53:55 <kernowyon> ok - will do that Jan 21 10:54:04 <TobiG> thanks Jan 21 10:54:25 <TobiG> hi arnulf Jan 21 10:54:26 <kernowyon> will take a couple of minutes - need to boot the virtual macine.... Jan 21 10:54:30 <kernowyon> machine Jan 21 10:55:38 <TobiG> it would be nice to identify the key factors that make people switching after a test of yoper back to their preferred distro Jan 21 10:55:51 <TobiG> and furthermore identify which reasons are justified Jan 21 10:56:00 <TobiG> and what that means for us Jan 21 10:56:35 <kernowyon> at a guess - number of packages. Even with the old Yoper, we were low in packages compared to the other larger distros. Jan 21 10:57:10 <TobiG> ok, that is something being solved only by a larger number of packages Jan 21 10:57:15 <TobiG> *packagers Jan 21 10:57:42 <TobiG> andreas spent 24/7 and almost destroyed himself Jan 21 10:57:49 <TobiG> no need to try being smarter Jan 21 10:58:06 <TobiG> or is there anything I am amiss ? Jan 21 11:00:00 <kernowyon> yep - the package numbers are limited to how many packagers we have. I appreciate that. Jan 21 11:00:36 <kernowyon> The speed is good, the boot time is good, looks are OK..... Jan 21 11:01:11 <kernowyon> do you think users will decide to try then go back to their older distros? Jan 21 11:01:30 <TobiG> there is always something better Jan 21 11:01:39 <TobiG> and I don't try to lock users Jan 21 11:01:48 <TobiG> but I want to improve yoper and meet the needs Jan 21 11:02:09 <TobiG> so the thing is understanding the needs Jan 21 11:02:14 * TobiG 2 cent's Jan 21 11:02:39 <kernowyon> there is always something different is probably the answer. Lots of users seem to enjoy trying different distros - even I do that. But I have a small number of persistant distros which I keep Jan 21 11:03:19 <TobiG> one thing were I want to make yoper known for is improving usability of the kde desktop Jan 21 11:03:32 <TobiG> it has a vast number of features and applications Jan 21 11:03:37 <TobiG> but they're hidden Jan 21 11:03:45 <TobiG> the look is not consistent Jan 21 11:03:51 <kernowyon> on the rhgb front, smart has confused itself again :( I added the smartpm-gui and have the old python errors Jan 21 11:04:24 <TobiG> hm, how do you do that :D , I never have such problems Jan 21 11:04:31 <TobiG> what happened ? Jan 21 11:06:02 <kernowyon> Didn't do a thing! I installed smartpm-gui yesterday, and now I just booted to install the rhgb, and got the smart python error which plagued me ages ago on the early test Jan 21 11:06:31 <TobiG> grmpf Jan 21 11:06:54 <TobiG> so smart install rhgb caused a python error ? Jan 21 11:07:08 <TobiG> or the gui bails out ? Jan 21 11:08:43 <kernowyon> not attempting to run the gui, I was running Konsole and smart install rhgb gave a list of errors. It *may* not be helping that I didn't mount the virtual cd first - dropping to command line to look more easily Jan 21 11:08:43 <TobiG> hm , guessing, what does rpm -q pygobject say ? Jan 21 11:09:37 <TobiG> kernowyon, 2nd window to get this sorted, if you want Jan 21 11:10:39 <TobiG> so is everyone happy or are there wishes ? Jan 21 11:11:06 <TobiG> now it's late christmas time and I am trying to compete with Santa Claus Jan 21 11:11:23 <kommander-tom> :-) Jan 21 11:16:07 <TobiG> looks like you're all happy than Jan 21 11:17:54 * kernowyon_ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #yoper Jan 21 11:18:37 <kommander-tom> as I read on the history, I'd rather install weekly.iso instead of version '2.92', as tester are needed for latest iso Jan 21 11:18:44 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to kernowyon_ Jan 21 11:19:06 <TobiG> yes, errors in 2.92 might well be fixed in the latest iso Jan 21 11:31:09 * kernowyon_ has quit ("Leaving") Jan 21 11:32:16 <kernowyon> yeeess.... I left in my other disguise ;) Jan 21 11:34:17 <TobiG> oh it was you :D Jan 21 11:34:33 <TobiG> ok, so we're done for now :D Jan 21 11:34:39 <TobiG> ? Jan 21 11:34:48 <TobiG> I'll put something together Jan 21 11:34:55 <kernowyon> TobiG - the rhgb gave a slightly different login - I got a couple of seconds of setting up screen, with 3 red Y balls, then back to the usual login screen following a bit of command line goodiness Jan 21 11:35:17 <TobiG> there has been an issue with runlevel settings Jan 21 11:35:32 <TobiG> they're fixed now but are most likely present on any current yoper system Jan 21 11:35:52 <kernowyon> easy fix? or wait Jan 21 11:36:15 <TobiG> easy fix Jan 21 11:36:15 <TobiG> http://pastebin.ca/322980 Jan 21 11:36:23 <TobiG> do chkconfig --list Jan 21 11:36:28 <TobiG> if some stuff is missing Jan 21 11:36:33 <TobiG> do chkconfig --add stuf Jan 21 11:36:36 <TobiG> *stuff Jan 21 11:36:48 <TobiG> of course replace stuff with the missing thing Jan 21 11:36:54 <kernowyon> lol Jan 21 11:37:06 <kernowyon> no problem - I shall give that a go Jan 21 11:37:14 <TobiG> in your case it might be kdmctrl Jan 21 11:37:18 <TobiG> at least Jan 21 11:40:17 <kernowyon> kdmctrl seems OK. Jan 21 11:40:34 <TobiG> hm Jan 21 11:40:38 <TobiG> weirdo Jan 21 11:40:47 <TobiG> so you don't get the kdm login screen ? Jan 21 11:41:04 <kernowyon> yeah - I get the login screen ;) Jan 21 11:41:14 <TobiG> ah so everything is fine than ? Jan 21 11:41:29 <kernowyon> But I had that without rhgb.... Jan 21 11:41:43 <TobiG> ah rhgb only makes the graphical stuff Jan 21 11:41:53 <TobiG> that's all it does Jan 21 11:42:10 <TobiG> maybe we can extend the visible time a bit Jan 21 11:42:41 <TobiG> it's not yet fully running as supposed Jan 21 11:43:01 <kernowyon> on login screen prior to rhgb, I had the red balls background with the login box. Still got the same. There was a quick display of something, but not sure - it had a status bar Jan 21 11:43:46 <TobiG> ah that's been rhgb I suppose Jan 21 11:43:51 <TobiG> it quits a bit too early Jan 21 11:44:10 <TobiG> if working properly kdm should switch to vt7 when it's fully avail Jan 21 11:44:22 <TobiG> that bootscreen is on vt8 Jan 21 11:44:44 <kernowyon> yep - that is something new since including rhgb. I shall look more carefully next boot Jan 21 11:45:12 <TobiG> I am happy enough that it works out of the box for nwo Jan 21 11:45:14 <TobiG> *now Jan 21 11:45:30 <TobiG> so are we done ? Jan 21 11:45:59 <kernowyon> I am fine :) Jan 21 11:46:06 <TobiG> :D Jan 21 11:46:29 <TobiG> so once we have yoper itself ready we can working on adding applications Jan 21 11:46:35 <TobiG> slowly but steadily Jan 21 11:46:57 <TobiG> and I hope that at some point that problem is obsolete Jan 21 11:46:58 <TobiG> http://www.freestandards.org/en/Packaging Jan 21 11:48:22 <kernowyon> back in a minute - daughters require attention (only 18 and 16! but need Daddy help!) lol Jan 21 11:49:59 <TobiG> be happy that their still at home :D Jan 21 11:51:21 <TobiG> ok I am off too Jan 21 11:51:27 <TobiG> sunday here, family time ;( Jan 21 11:51:29 <TobiG> ;) Jan 21 11:51:44 <TobiG> was supposed to be a smiley :D Jan 21 11:51:54 <TobiG> see ya all, will send a mail out tonight
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