Great Idea! And he's the first one to kick it off. Cris-UK<< This it the second in a series of 5 radio broadcasts I'm vining.
VO - Frank on the Larry King Show 13th August 1985 This is a phone in mainly concerning Franks testimony before the senate committee about the PMRC issue. Porn Wars! While not as entertaining as the HOUSTON phone-in I started a while ago, it's good stuff and a bit of history. So follow Sofa's policy and lets get this working Cris On 2 Apr 2005, at 16:20, lusi tanio wrote: good enough for me. <01.gif> Luis sofa49423fz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Vines, and the Viners who Vine them... One of the things that kept me from promoting Vines or Trees (or whateverthefuck) at the List was the fear that we would eventually become a group of 'traders', with nothing to say except for "who wants/gets what?"; after all, the List is a DISCUSSION group. This fear has been put to rest, and vining has become an important form of community here. We tried setting up vines with an apointed "Vinemeister" (thank you Larry, for all that work you did back in those days). This worked okay, until someone broke the vine. Then, all eyes turned towards the vinemeister, expecting him to not only set up, coallate, and start the vine, but now to "fix it" because of some deadbeat. That wasn't the answer... Then we adopted the "first come w/ re-offer" method. This has served pretty well, but flaws still appeared: folks who check the site, rather than receive individual emails tend to get left out, or respond too late; newbies have no way of knowing what vines are out there; vines can 'die' when there's a lapse in interest; etc. So, that isn't the answer either... Here is the method of vining that I would like to see become the Standard for the Zappa-List: A member that starts a vine, posts to that effect with a "VO" (Vine Open) in the subject line (ex: VO 841206 Oklahoma, or VO KECT "Token of His Extreme", or VO DVD "Video From Hell", etc). In the message body, before any info is listed, the person offering the vine puts their user name and location/country, followed by 2 arrows: ex. SOFA-US<<. Then add whatever pertinant info you want, or is available. Here's what a vine message should look like: To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com From: sofa49423fz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat Apr 2, 2005 9:16 am Subject: VO 741106 Syria Mosque, Pittsburgh Message: SOFA-US<< 60 min, SBD, 01 Tush Tush Tush 02 Stinkfoot 03 Inca Roads 04 Experiencing Technical Difficulties 05 Yellow Snow (tape break?) 06 St Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast 07 Cosmik Debris 08 Florentine Pogen 09 I'm Not Satisfied. The message is sent out in this form; the first member interested posts a response to the group message (DON'T CHANGE the 'Header' or subject line in ANY way) by adding their user name or ID to the above message: ex. SOFA-US<<Jim L.-US<<; each interested member does this in turn. So this vine will build as members express their interest: ex. SOFA-US<<Jim L.-US<<HotratsL-US<<Cris-UK<<vrnzr-BE<<Gabriel-AR<<Jack Simpson-US<<, and so on. Vines should not "close". When a member mails a vine to the next recipient, the member indicates such with a reply to the message by removing their name. So with our example, when SOFA mails the vine off to ! Jim L., the reply to the message would be Jim L.-US<<HotratsL-US<<Cris-UK<<vrnzr-BE<<Gabriel-AR<<Jack Simpson-US<<... Actual snail mail addy's should remain off list. A member's email always appears in the header of every message sent by that member, so direct contact should be easy… Why do it this way? 1) This method allows for everyone to get in on a vine when it's announced - still first come first served, but the "me next" can be listed, instead of having to wait for the re-offer. 2) This method allows everyone to 'track' a vines progress - no need for a vinemeister, the vine will build on it's own, and be tracked by everyone. A deadbeat, or break in the vine, will be noticed much sooner, because everyone is watching. 3) This method allows for a consistency in our vining, which will make it easier for anyone new to the Group since the vine's start to search all of the vines and participate (simply t! ype VO in the search bar, and view the status of any vine). 4) This method keeps a vine perpetually open; you only cross YOUR name off the list, and only AFTER you mail the vine on. The last member left on the vine is always morally obligated to send a copy on to whomever requests it, whenever requested. Barring any sane disagreement with this method, I'd like to institute it immediately - or ASAP. Let's give it a try? Regards, SOFA For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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