10-20s proving time is more than fast enough for me. I'm going to dig through the gadgetlibs to get a feel for what it'd take to implement this, but it's been a long time since my last algebra class.
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:06 PM Andrew Miller <soc1...@illinois.edu> wrote: > Yeah! It's 2018 and we still don't have a libsnark gadget for > verifying major cryptocurrency signatures? What gives? > > Call me old fashioned #slowcrypto but even with 10-20s proving time it > could still be useful for things. > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 4:01 PM, James Prestwich <ja...@prestwi.ch> wrote: > > This is about the point where my math and libsnark knowledge runs out :) > > > > My usecase is specifically cryptocurrency related, so I'm mostly > interested > > in curves that are used by cryptocurrency signature algorithms. E.g. > > secp256k1 (Bitcoin and its kids), ed25519 (Sia, Stellar, and a few > others). > > Jubjub is definitely on the list once sapling is closer to deployment. > After > > a bit of consideration, ed25519 would probably be the most interesting at > > first. > > > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:33 PM Sean Bowe <s...@z.cash> wrote: > >> > >> I believe those gadgets are specifically for curves where the scalar > >> field is the base field of the curve you're working with, so they > >> probably wouldn't be that useful for arbitrary fields. Most of the > >> complexity here is the bignum arithmetic inside the circuit, though. > >> > >> > Is there any more clever way to do this than just providing splitting > >> > into bits to implement modular arithmetic in a different field? > >> > >> Not that I know of. I explored the feasibility of this kind of stuff > >> in the past and concluded each point addition would be around the cost > >> of a SHA256 invocation. You can minimize the number of additions using > >> window tables. The best approach seemed to be giant window tables > >> queried with merkle tree lookups using something like MiMC. The > >> additions are most efficient when working with affine formulas > >> (inversions can be witnessed as efficiently as multiplications). You > >> may be able to get this down to 2^20 constraints for ~256-bit scalars, > >> which might be around 10-20 second proving time. > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Andrew Miller <soc1...@illinois.edu> > >> wrote: > >> > Suppose one did want to build a secp256k1 gadget. I notice that > libsnark > >> > already provides a general gadget for weierstrass form elliptic > curves, > >> > parameterized by a field. So all we'd have to do is define the > secp256k1 > >> > operations in the alt_bn128 or in bls12 fields. Is there any more > clever > >> > way > >> > to do this than just providing splitting into bits to implement > modular > >> > arithmetic in a different field? > >> > > >> > On Jan 3, 2018 2:11 PM, "Sean Bowe" <s...@z.cash> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> If any curve is acceptable, I would encourage Jubjub, which we'll be > >> >> using for the next version of Zcash. In which case you will be able > to > >> >> leverage our Sapling crypto code once it is more mature over the next > >> >> month or so. https://github.com/zcash-hackworks/sapling-crypto > >> >> > >> >> Sean > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:02 PM, James Prestwich via zapps-wg > >> >> <zapps...@lists.z.cash.foundation> wrote: > >> >> > I'd prefer sha256 or bitcoin-style hash160. I'm interested in a few > >> >> > different curves, including secp256k1. Eventually for EdDSA keys as > >> >> > well. Is > >> >> > there a list of supported curve operations? > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:57 PM Andrew Miller < > soc1...@illinois.edu> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thank you so much for expressing your question in > Camenisch-Stadler > >> >> >> notation! That makes it very clear what you're going for. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What hash function H do you have in mind, would SHA2 work? Also > what > >> >> >> group > >> >> >> G do you have in mind, secp256k1? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If so, I do not know of any existing implementation of secp256k1 > >> >> >> operations specifically in libsnark, so that would presumably be > the > >> >> >> biggest > >> >> >> challenge. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Jan 3, 2018 1:47 PM, "James Prestwich via zapps-wg" > >> >> >> <zapps...@lists.z.cash.foundation> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'd like to participate in the setup ceremony. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I also have an app I'd like to build using a zk-proof of knowledge > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> an > >> >> >> ECC private key. {(a) : A = a * G, B = H(a)}. Can anyone point me > to > >> >> >> good > >> >> >> resources on getting started? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > > > -- > Andrew Miller > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign >
